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Legend
Registered: Fri Aug 27 2004
Posts: 10100
A/S/L: Mountain View, CA
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#47207 - 01/08/08 08:11 AM
Re: What would you do? (cheating)
[Re: Silent Mike]
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Virtual League Champion
Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 2314
A/S/L: m/ Michigan
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Why did'nt the the "said" bowlers opponent say something when they made the score adjustments? Or his teamates, for that matter. Are they that intiminated by this guy? That would not fly on our team, or in our league. I think it must be brought to the leagues attention, let it be known just what a fraud this guy is.
Here is a guy that acts all big and bad because he is one of the leagues better bowlers, when the fact is ...he is a cheater. He should have an * asterisk next to his name on the score sheet. Guys like that just frost me.
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#47217 - 01/08/08 09:31 AM
Re: What would you do? (cheating)
[Re: Lefty]
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Virtual League Champion
Registered: 10/17/07
Posts: 1225
A/S/L: 34/M/CO
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Heck I got burned, last season, on a strike because the 5 pin wasn't in there... Wish I would have known I could shoot it over!
I would say approach the league president, it would be better to handle it politically rather than personally for the leagues sake anyways.
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#47223 - 01/08/08 09:46 AM
Re: What would you do? (cheating)
[Re: AmpleSound]
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Legend
Registered: 01/30/05
Posts: 2356
A/S/L: 37 / M / Rochester, NY
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Heck I got burned, last season, on a strike because the 5 pin wasn't in there... Wish I would have known I could shoot it over! It's not that you can shoot it over.. you have to shoot it over.
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#47225 - 01/08/08 09:52 AM
Re: What would you do? (cheating)
[Re: AmpleSound]
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Team USA Contender
Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 446
A/S/L: 25/M/Syracuse, NY
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If his average is that high then he's been bowling enough to know the rules about outside interference in knocking pins over (pinsetter, ball jumping out of the gutter, shooting a pin with a pellet gun (lol), etc.). But then again, the way you describe him, he's just a giant [censored] who probably thinks he can do whatever he wants because he's the highest average in the league.
In my Tuesday league there have been a couple of cases where a pinsetter knocked over a pin or a ball jumped out of the gutter, but its non-sanctioned and everyone knew what the rule about it was, so it was let go. If that happened in my sanctioned Wednesday league, you can bet I'd be letting the guy know that his score was false and that he was cheating.
P.S. No one actually shot a pin with a pellet gun, its just funny to think about.
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#47227 - 01/08/08 09:55 AM
Re: What would you do? (cheating)
[Re: Lefty]
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Virtual League Champion
Registered: 10/17/07
Posts: 1225
A/S/L: 34/M/CO
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Heck I got burned, last season, on a strike because the 5 pin wasn't in there... Wish I would have known I could shoot it over! It's not that you can shoot it over.. you have to shoot it over. Interesting, and go figure none of my team mates knew anything about this. Also the other team didn't care to step up and say anything... I was stringing strikes too, maybe that's why they kept hush hush LOL.
Edited by AmpleSound (01/08/08 09:55 AM)
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#47231 - 01/08/08 10:12 AM
Re: What would you do? (cheating)
[Re: AmpleSound]
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Team USA Contender
Registered: 12/06/07
Posts: 446
A/S/L: 25/M/Syracuse, NY
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Yeah rules say that anytime a ball is thrown with a pin missing the ball must be re-rolled, however I believe it is also illegal to not make it known to the bowler who's turn it is so that he can re-roll. If my memory is correct, its considered cheating to not tell someone they have to re-roll a ball due to a missing pin and then say later that that person rolled a ball with a missing pin and let the score count, especially once the scoresheet is signed.
There have been a few times where I've allowed someone to throw a spare ball after a pin had been knocked over by the setter without replacing the pin, however my stipulation was that I would let it stand if they would have gotten the pin on the spare anyway or I would adjust the score accordingly if it was obvious they would not have gotten the pin.
Actually last week there was a similar situation to this in that someone on the pair next to me left a 4-7 but had a slow messenger come over and knock out the 4 just before the setter came down. No one on their pair saw it so they called to have the 4 placed back on the lane and he would throw at the 2 pin leave instead just the 1 pin leave. When I told them that he had a messenger come over and knock the pin out they had a short discussion and all agreed he would keep the 8 pinfall as it was and go from there. No one cheated but they all talked it over and came to an agreement in a respectful manner.
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#47236 - 01/08/08 10:24 AM
Re: What would you do? (cheating)
[Re: Timotheus]
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Legend
Registered: 01/30/05
Posts: 2356
A/S/L: 37 / M / Rochester, NY
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There have been a few times where I've allowed someone to throw a spare ball after a pin had been knocked over by the setter without replacing the pin, however my stipulation was that I would let it stand if they would have gotten the pin on the spare anyway or I would adjust the score accordingly if it was obvious they would not have gotten the pin.
This is a bad idea because it leave room for interpretation. Take the time to have the pin reset and do it right. Actually last week there was a similar situation to this in that someone on the pair next to me left a 4-7 but had a slow messenger come over and knock out the 4 just before the setter came down. No one on their pair saw it so they called to have the 4 placed back on the lane and he would throw at the 2 pin leave instead just the 1 pin leave. When I told them that he had a messenger come over and knock the pin out they had a short discussion and all agreed he would keep the 8 pinfall as it was and go from there. No one cheated but they all talked it over and came to an agreement in a respectful manner.
There's really nothing for them to talk over. They don't get to decide what pinfall to use. If no one sees it, you do NOT set the pin back up. You go with 9. If someone sees the machine hit it then you stand it back up. There's no vote about it.
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#47237 - 01/08/08 10:25 AM
Re: What would you do? (cheating)
[Re: Timotheus]
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Virtual League Champion
Registered: 12/11/05
Posts: 9820
A/S/L: M/Barrington, Ill
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As in a game of Poker, the hand plays itself. Even if the player reads his cards wrong, the table reads them correctly. Just like in bowling. If a rack knocks down the pin, anyone can attest to it, not just the bowler or the opponent.
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