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#42361 - 03/01/07 08:38 AM Re: my first bowling video shot [Re: stevefoxwong]
mkee19 Offline
Action Bowler

Registered: 04/08/06
Posts: 277
A/S/L: 32/M/MD
What I've learned in the little time I've been bowling, is to bowl in your comfort zone. The only time I worry about speed is when I feel like I'm being too soft with the delivery. I used to get caught up in the "speed" hype b/c I had friends throwing about 2-5 mph faster than me. It doesnt matter how slow you throw, your equipment should be drilled to match your speed, and allow you to strike w/o feelin like you have to "throw" the ball. Look at Tim Criss, and Patrick Healey Jr., both have slower ball speeds, but do pretty well.

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#42390 - 03/01/07 12:48 PM Re: my first bowling video shot [Re: stevefoxwong]
pinhead Offline
Bantam

Registered: 02/08/07
Posts: 17
A/S/L: Houston
As a casual observer, not a coach, I don't find any real problems with your stance or approach. I like to believe that being Individuals we all have to adapt to the "basics" in our own way. With that said, there is some truth to the observations made by the other folks who have responded before me, as far as what is deemed "rules of thumb basics". But I would offer some advice in this way...."if your happy with your game, don't change it, if you're not, then heed the advice of some and disregard the advice of others" What works for some, will not work the same for all, make little changes at a time. And first and foremost, always listen - try it - then decide. Garbage in, Garbage out. Keep what works for you and trash the stuff that dont.
Good Luck

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#42441 - 03/01/07 10:21 PM Re: my first bowling video shot [Re: Lefty]
stevefoxwong Offline
League Bowler

Registered: 02/10/07
Posts: 65
A/S/L: singapore
yesterday i try to bend my body forward after the push away, the speed goes from 14mph to 16 mph. i think my backswing is cut due to my arm cant go too far back. after i try ron clifton slight tilt forward my should to get the free arm swing up, my speed when up and the carry is great. 6 game not even a single pin 10 stand. light hit pocket give strikes too. i miss head pin, the messenger comes back and hit the rest and got a count of 9 left pin 1 standing, lol. i like those messenger, just like my 11.4# helicopter ball hit with pin flying around. the bad about helicopter style is lesser room for error(got to have about 2board accuracy to hit head pin).
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14# No Mercy Beatn(heavy oil ball)
14# Black Widow medium oil
14# Lane 1 hrg
14# Sidewinder
15# red alert edge
12# columbia spare ball
Ball speed:2.45sec-2.2sec(16.7mph-18.6mph)
Rev rate~342rpm
Oil Trek(axis tilt): high.
HG/HS: 279/643
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#42497 - 03/02/07 03:20 PM Re: my first bowling video shot [Re: stevefoxwong]
mkee19 Offline
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Registered: 04/08/06
Posts: 277
A/S/L: 32/M/MD
I wouldnt try to bowl both helicopter style and normal hook. That might cause you to carry bad habits with each style. To each his own...if you can handle it, good for you

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#42565 - 03/03/07 01:20 PM Re: my first bowling video shot [Re: mkee19]
stevefoxwong Offline
League Bowler

Registered: 02/10/07
Posts: 65
A/S/L: singapore
now i stick to hook style. i switch to helicopter style due to wrist injury and heel injury. now i switch back to hook. i like hook because more excitement.
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14# No Mercy Beatn(heavy oil ball)
14# Black Widow medium oil
14# Lane 1 hrg
14# Sidewinder
15# red alert edge
12# columbia spare ball
Ball speed:2.45sec-2.2sec(16.7mph-18.6mph)
Rev rate~342rpm
Oil Trek(axis tilt): high.
HG/HS: 279/643
40 games across 6 centers league avg :170

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#42663 - 03/05/07 02:02 AM Re: my first bowling video shot [Re: stevefoxwong]
stevefoxwong Offline
League Bowler

Registered: 02/10/07
Posts: 65
A/S/L: singapore
these are the elite helicopter player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFpynA69z4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ktuJOFYIQQ

the advantage is versatile. dry to oily, carry down dont affect the ball path much. with 11-12 pound ball you can see messenger flying around.


Edited by stevefoxwong (03/05/07 02:08 AM)
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14# No Mercy Beatn(heavy oil ball)
14# Black Widow medium oil
14# Lane 1 hrg
14# Sidewinder
15# red alert edge
12# columbia spare ball
Ball speed:2.45sec-2.2sec(16.7mph-18.6mph)
Rev rate~342rpm
Oil Trek(axis tilt): high.
HG/HS: 279/643
40 games across 6 centers league avg :170

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#42664 - 03/05/07 03:14 AM Re: my first bowling video shot [Re: stevefoxwong]
stevefoxwong Offline
League Bowler

Registered: 02/10/07
Posts: 65
A/S/L: singapore
by the way anyone out there wish to self learn helicopter style, please dont use any ball heavy than 12.0, unless you want to break your elbow finger or wrist.
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14# No Mercy Beatn(heavy oil ball)
14# Black Widow medium oil
14# Lane 1 hrg
14# Sidewinder
15# red alert edge
12# columbia spare ball
Ball speed:2.45sec-2.2sec(16.7mph-18.6mph)
Rev rate~342rpm
Oil Trek(axis tilt): high.
HG/HS: 279/643
40 games across 6 centers league avg :170

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#42678 - 03/05/07 09:52 AM Re: my first bowling video shot [Re: stevefoxwong]
Dennis Michael Offline
Virtual League Champion

Registered: 12/11/05
Posts: 9814
A/S/L: M/Barrington, Ill
So the ball slides all the way down the lane. Has a small backup. My questions:
1. Why does one fellow bother adjusting his wrist before the approach?
2. Why does one fellow use a spare ball?
3. One fellow changed balls, was that to get a different slide?
4. Where is the rotation on the ball? Is it spinning like a top?
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#42679 - 03/05/07 09:54 AM Re: my first bowling video shot [Re: Dennis Michael]
Lefty Offline
Legend

Registered: 01/30/05
Posts: 2356
A/S/L: 37 / M / Rochester, NY
This style tends to do very well on very difficult international conditions, but on anything that gives you a little bit of room, the more western style usually dominates. Their scores don't go up as the condition opens up.

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#42687 - 03/05/07 11:30 AM Re: my first bowling video shot [Re: Lefty]
Dennis Michael Offline
Virtual League Champion

Registered: 12/11/05
Posts: 9814
A/S/L: M/Barrington, Ill
The pocket, high hit, nose, and brooklyn hits all seem to carry. The bowlers weren't too consistent. There must be some spin on the ball. I coudn't tell by the videos. Although I seemed to notice a backup.

What is the difference between this and a straight bowler? Has to be the ball rotation?
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Lord Field - Exodus Pearl 15#
Legends - L/M New Terminator 15#
Legends - L/M Xtreme Damage 15# Strong pearl




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