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#200296 - 09/21/21 06:09 PM Re: The price of new bowling balls [Re: BOSStull]
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Almost tempted to buy another All-road at Bowlersmart for $80.
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#200297 - 09/22/21 11:56 PM Re: The price of new bowling balls [Re: BOSStull]
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I've been bringing a different ball to start with each week in our senior league amd this was the week for the Hy-Road Max. Messed around in warm up and still didn't find a good spot. Got through to about fram 4 or 5 and I was standing on about board 27 and targeting board 12 at the dots. A bit later I moved one board with my feet and eyes to the right. Stayed there for the rest of the session. Was right around 180 on each game and was quite happy how things went.
The ball picked up very early and still had a good move on the backend. I must have had wide path to play in this morning... smile

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#200298 - 09/23/21 04:54 AM Re: The price of new bowling balls [Re: BOSStull]
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Watched a YouTube video by Mo Pinel where he explains how to drill a low-flare bowling ball. I took a Roto Grip Hustle RAP and drilled it 90 x 1-3/4 x 45. It's now my favorite ball. I'm 73 and can't generate speed like I use to. The low-flare ball hooks more like urethane but isn't as weak as urethane. It allows me to remain right of 30 with my feet and bang the pocket anywhere outside 10. If it has a down-side, anything right on the beak is a split. Ended last year averaging 199. So far this year 213. Anyone who wants to try something new might try low-flare. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvMkDIllTY4

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#200299 - 09/23/21 12:55 PM Re: The price of new bowling balls [Re: BOSStull]
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I bought a Hustle RAP not long ago. Tried it a few times and I was disappointed thus far. I manipulated my thumb hole tape and it seems to feel a bit better. I'll give it a try again. I got it to replace my IQ Tour 30 which cracked several months ago.
The Tour had a distinctive motion to it and I miss it a lot. I hope I can get the RAP going and have it simulate the IQ. Watched a review of the Hustle Wine and it looked pretty good by getting into a roll nicely. Maybe I can get my RAP to do similar things. We'll see... Good idea on the short pin drilling BTW...

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#200303 - 10/07/21 09:04 PM Re: The price of new bowling balls [Re: BOSStull]
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I got a Brunswick Twist which is supposed to be very weak. I don't use it much, it either goes straight as an arrow or over reacts on dry. My problem of being a low tilt bowler with no speed really kills me in dry conditions.
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#200304 - 10/07/21 10:14 PM Re: The price of new bowling balls [Re: goobee]
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Try a 'low-flare' drilling layout. I have a PAP of 5-1/4 over and 3/8 down. For low-flare I drilled a 'Roto Grip Hustle RAP' 90 x 1-3/4 x 45.

There's also a Mo Pinel YouTube video on low-flare drilling.

The only downside I've noticed, if your ball rolls too far and you hit the nose, it won't break-down as many splits.

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#200305 - 10/08/21 01:07 AM Re: The price of new bowling balls [Re: BOSStull]
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I am high track bowler as well low tilt unfortunately. As such, I use Mo Pinel's Control Layout for High Track layouts on my balls.

https://radicalbowling.com/uploads/downloads/Layouts/radical-layouts.pdf

The layout I have on the Twist is 85x4.5x45. For the most part, this layout has worked well for me on most of my balls as it's a fairly weak layout.

Here's a vid of one of the few times I've been able to bowl with it.

https://youtu.be/KsFLnvpesOo


Edited by goobee (10/08/21 01:08 AM)
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#200307 - 10/08/21 05:19 AM Re: The price of new bowling balls [Re: goobee]
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The Twist is a symmetric ball, so the drilling angle (85) really doesn't mean anything. All you have is pin-to-PAP and VAL angle to play with. There are a number of things that you can do to get the ball down the lane easier;

First, consider playing around with finger-pitch and also your ring-finger span. I was also high-track 6-3/16 over and 3/8 down. Changing my pitches and reducing my ring-finger span changed my PAP to 5-1/4 over and 3/8 down. It's much easier to get the ball down the lane with more tilt. Mo Pinel also has a how-to video for that. High-track players are ring-finger dominant. By reducing the ring-finger span, you reduce that dominance.

Secondly, consider a longer pin-to-PAP. Go from 4.5 to 5 or even 5.25. This change will stand the core more upright making your ball go longer. Opening up the VAL angle from 45 to 50 will also give you more length. I use 45 on weak balls, but 50 for more aggressive balls. My Hustle is 90 x 1-3/4 x 45 for dry lanes and I have a UC2 drilled 50 x 5 x 50 for fresh oil. A wider VAL angle may also conserve RPM's down lane. I find I leave fewer 10's.

Finally, after watching your video, you hit up on the ball pretty good at the release point. You might want to relax your wrist and work on using a softer release. Let the ball do more work and you do less work. You may discover the ball rolls better at the end, you'll get more RPM's and you might even get more speed. Try to deliver the ball into the lane and remove loft. At our age, less is more.

We will never get any stronger, so we need to get smarter. That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it :-)

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#200308 - 10/09/21 01:16 AM Re: The price of new bowling balls [Re: 82Boat69]
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Yeah, my PSO has been trying to get me to go down a similar path. I gave him carte blanche to drill up a ball that he felt would be most beneficial due to my health limitations. He changed my finger pitch by a lot, so that my fingers were more relaxed. Instead of coming out of the ball like I do now, he wanted me to stop my arm as I released the ball. As you suggested, he also me to let the ball do the work.

I tried it for a bit, couldn't get comfortable and went.

My release goes back to the 80's when balls didn't hook out of the box as they do now. This same release barely moved the ball back then for a down and in shot. If you wanted your ball to move, you had to put "stuff" on it.

Now that I'm much older with bad health, it's time to make the change if I want to continue bowling.
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#200309 - 10/09/21 01:35 AM Re: The price of new bowling balls [Re: goobee]
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I'm 73 and it's really tough to make physical changes. The best way is to try anything new with a 1-step drill. That slows everything down and makes it easier to feel what's happening.

I also use physical check-points during my approach to help me stay physically accurate, otherwise I can be all over the place.

I have a 5-step, so my first check is to flex my wrist and relax my grip pressure. The next check is to make certain I start my ball on my second step. The next check is to make sure I have a proper cross-over step. Next, I want my ball dropping down and swinging back as relaxed as possible. Next, I want my 4th step a little shorter to give me a nice leverage position on my 5th step/slide. Next, and this is really tough, I need to wait for the ball to move forward without my help. Being relaxed at the bottom increases RPM's and ball speed. Finally, I like to have a solid finish position. At 73, with back surgery and shoulder surgery, I don't have classic form, but I can post up most of my shots.

The 1-step for making changes is the best tip.

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