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#199054 - 02/13/18 09:08 AM Re: My Senior League wants to change Houses [Re: Mkirchie]
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People have been looking down their noses at bowling for 40 years. I use to have a large group of friends who I bowled junior league with back in the 60's. We all would love to get together and go bowling until a large number started their teaching careers. Now, most won't get close to a bowling alley. Not because they don't still want to go bowling, but because they wouldn't want to be caught hanging with the proletariat :-) Remember 'yuppies'? That attitude was a disaster for bowling. Worse today. I live in CA. Every one of my close bowling friends would be called 'conservatives'. The liberal 'elite' won't get close to the game. They might get their hands dirty :-) For charity events they come out of the woodwork, but for any other reason, not a chance :-)

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#199055 - 02/13/18 09:36 AM Re: My Senior League wants to change Houses [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Thanks Boat!
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#199056 - 02/13/18 09:40 AM Re: My Senior League wants to change Houses [Re: djp1080]
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I'll probably pay hell for saying it :-) Oh well :-)

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#199057 - 02/13/18 10:58 AM Re: My Senior League wants to change Houses [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Actually I've done a little searching over the last few months for traces of information of people I used to bowl with all the way back to high school days. Even found a few who I was in college with. I'd say around 90% of them are no longer with us.
What I find interesting though is that there is a pretty high percentage of people in the senior league I bowl with are retired teachers. One still teaches swimming.

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#199058 - 02/13/18 11:23 AM Re: My Senior League wants to change Houses [Re: djp1080]
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My team is a statistical anomaly in my league, but my teammate and I are teachers. I've known other teachers who have bowled in the league in the past too.

Personally, I'm not worried if someone from work walked into the lanes and found me since I don't get caught up in image (and never have). My favorite sport to watch of the big 4 is the least popular. My favorite band isn't popular in their already unpopular genre of music. I majored in and teach a subject that isn't very popular.

In addition, I live 28 miles and bowl 35 miles from where I work so it has never happened and likely never will.

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#199059 - 02/13/18 02:32 PM Re: My Senior League wants to change Houses [Re: Mkirchie]
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My comment wasn't teacher specific, only that many of my friends became teachers/professors and never bowled again.

I bowl in a senior scratch league with 22 trios teams. If there are any liberals in that league, they're in the closet :-)

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#199065 - 02/14/18 04:29 AM Re: My Senior League wants to change Houses [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Boat, a Conservative from California?? Talk about an anomaly!! I thought the Coasts were solidly blue States.

Well, the Yuppies are gone and the Millennials are here. There is no longer flowers in hair and a walk man, but, ear plugs and cell phones. And, guess what? Very few bowl.

Just look at the average age of most league participants. I'd venture to say, it's over 50 for most.

Although I am not, I do bowl with a group of retired male teachers, as my Wife taught in that District and I knew a few. In particular the now large and over weight athletic coaches. I thought our generation saw a large number of those going to college to become teachers, because at that time, (Viet Nam), they were draft exempt.

Bowlers are aging, and there are not the numbers to replace them in following generations.

I don't think I know a teacher who bowls. I do know, the local high school could not find a Bowling Coach among its list of Instructors and had to go outside to find one. According to rules, that person had to be a School employee, so the parent of a bowler became a grounds custodian.
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#199066 - 02/14/18 05:23 AM Re: My Senior League wants to change Houses [Re: Dennis Michael]
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I don't live on the coast. I'm on the outskirts of Sacramento and it's just as bad. Whenever I visit SFO, it's like visiting a foreign country :-)

This state's legislature passes 2000 new laws each year whether we need them or not. Despite their efforts, we have bigger problems than the rest of the country, except other liberal states :-) It's clear liberalism costs a lot but doesn't solve anything :-)

Do liberals bowl? I'll bet it's less than 1 out of 10. Maybe 5 out of a 100. That probably explains many of our problems. Bowling takes a 32 week commitment :-)

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#199068 - 02/14/18 12:17 PM Re: My Senior League wants to change Houses [Re: Dennis Michael]
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I get tired of the whole "the single biggest thing that's killing bowling" deal.

There is no single biggest thing.

If technology was the single biggest thing killing the game, then why is Golf growing or at least staying even? Club technology has drastically changed, balls have changed dramatically, even the GRASS and the mowing have evolved. Yet Golf seems to be doing just fine. Other examples can be found.

Are balls and lanes and oil patterns contributing factors? Probably. However, I don't know of anything other than opinion pieces that give any causative evidence.

I think it is just as much marketing/promotion. As 82 and others have mentioned, the impression of bowling is that it's not cool. It's definitely small-town and hick thing. I work at a college in SoCal and I'm seen as an anachronism as I bowl, I race cars, and I brew beer, all of which definitely go against the academic grain . . .

I think it is just as much management. Centers that are dirty, that cater to parties (sugar) instead of working to thrive on leagues and steady business (fiber). They want that quick jolt that doesn't require much overhead.

I think it is just as much sanctioning body. USBC seems more interested in Nationals and nitpicky details rather than getting youth and new bowlers involved. (this ties into the promotional portion) They could be getting HS and College bowling on one of the "off" sports channels (which are much better than ESPN, but that's a different convo) - NBCSP, CBS-SP, FXSP1, etc.

I think it is just as much equipment - casual bowlers CANNOT do anything except casual bowl with the crap equipment that's given them. You can do "OK" with rental equipment at a golf course, like a Par-3. Not great, but you CAN do ok. You absolutely cannot, CANNOT do diddly crap with the crap that is on the racks. Heck, I can't do diddly crap with the crap on the racks. How do we expect to GET new bowlers when they HAVE to spend a hundred bucks (ish, whatever) to do anything at all, much less compete with us who walk in with our own shoes and multiple balls, wrist braces, powder, blah blah blah.
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#199070 - 02/14/18 01:35 PM Re: My Senior League wants to change Houses [Re: mmalsed]
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Ok mmalsed, You make some good points and I like it that you tend to go against the grain. Good man...
To the last point about the junk equipment on the ball racks. As far as I can tell nothing has changed there. None of the balls ever really fit me now or when I was a little kid or in between. So what's the answer to the junk equipment anyway???
You're right, it's going to be one hundred $$ or so just for the first darn ball. What is a bowling establishment supposed to do?
When I see a bus load or bus loads of kids being dropped off at the lanes, they look like they're having fun to bowl two or three games and go back to school. I don't see any bringing their own gear with them when they show up.
I don't care much for what they leave us in the senior league which shows up the next morning though. smile
I also think you're on to something that the USBC should be focusing on and that is a way to encourage more participation in leagues from all ages. I still recall getting my ABC membership card way back when. It was a big deal for me to bowl in a "Real League". smile
Not so much anymore... I like the senior league I bowl in...

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