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#198859 - 01/17/18 08:18 PM Where is every one?
Dennis Michael Offline
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This site got very quiet. NYE Hangover?? Ate too much over Holidays?

Hope all of you come back.
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#198861 - 01/18/18 12:52 AM Re: Where is every one? [Re: Dennis Michael]
djp1080 Offline
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I was wondering the same, Dennis.
I was out bowling tonight and got 567. Not bad for this old guy.
Made three ball changes and I think I did it at the right time finally. Started with one of my most aggressive solid balls, changed in mid-second game to last aggressive solid ball. Switched to my IQ Tour 30 pearl ball mid-third game. Got a five bagger with it. Perhaps I should have switched earlier to the pearl ball. Quite happy with the result.
Your comment about competing against higher rev players was excellent IMHO.
Keep up the good work. Good night...

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#198862 - 01/18/18 01:00 AM Re: Where is every one? [Re: Dennis Michael]
Dylan585 Offline
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Registered: 03/18/14
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A/S/L: 20/m/ny
I'm just sitting here... Quitely... Reading... Judging... But in all seriousness I have noticed the same thing
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#198863 - 01/18/18 09:06 AM Re: Where is every one? [Re: Dennis Michael]
Mkirchie Offline
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I've also noticed the lack of activity. I remember how busy it was when I first joined and also remember a lot of names I don't really see anymore here.

Mark
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#198866 - 01/18/18 11:16 AM Re: Where is every one? [Re: Mkirchie]
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Here's a subject that might save some people some money. After purchasing a large number of balls over the last 5 years, I'm of the opinion that minor variations between RG's and Diff's are imperceptible in a drilled ball by all but the top tier bowlers. Same with surfaces. A ball ranked 205-215 on the Perfect Scale won't be different enough from a ball ranked 225-235 for all but the best bowlers to notice.

Like golf swing videos and training aids, nothing a person buys in a new bowling ball will raise their average. The painful truth, if a person doesn't learn to crank up a ball when they're young and get their back-swing above their head, the limitations of their delivery and release will limit their average regardless of lane conditions or ball specifications.

Speed and RPM's coming off the oil is all a player need to optimize. I think too many bowlers drool over the latest releases, but I'd love to see some actual statistics that show anything new performing better than anything from last year.

Bowling has become a sport where those who can carry a slightly higher percentage of strikes will percolate up in the standings of tournaments and leagues. Those increases come from technique, not bowling balls.

I use to do a little sailing in my youth. Sailboat classes are like USBC bowling ball regulations. The main idea is that the person sailing the boat is the difference, not one sailboat or bowling ball from another.

The rapidity of the price drops in bowling balls are a clear indicator that today's $229.95 wunderkind is tomorrow's $99.95 clearance sale :-)

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#198867 - 01/18/18 12:15 PM Re: Where is every one? [Re: 82Boat69]
djp1080 Offline
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I've noticed pretty much the same; however, the RG certainly makes a bit of difference to the length of where the ball begins it's move and the drilling angle selection aids the ball's move, too. The differential in the mid to high range don't seem matter much.
The coverstock makes the most difference in the type of cover and the friction created by the grit finish.
I've also noted that the two-piece ball is likely the best type of ball as they tend to handle oil without much degradation over time. This may save people money as well. I think that the Storm Hy-Road series will be around for a long, long time even if they stop production.
Still confused though regarding some balls seem to soak up oil pretty fast and degrade much quicker than others using the same finish and coverstock. My investment in a food dehydrator converted into a ball oven has paid dividends to keeping some balls working just fine.
Hope this helps...

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#198868 - 01/18/18 03:46 PM Re: Where is every one? [Re: djp1080]
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Registered: 06/24/16
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I've noticed a direct correlation between the grit the ball is sanded at coming out of the box and how fast it soaks up oil. A ball sanded to 1500 will soak up oil faster than a ball sanded to 3000. Must have something to do with opening up the surface.

I have a friend who just bought a Jackal Rising and that ball would soak up a shot worth of oil before he used it again. It would come back with flare lines and they would be gone before his next shot. That's in a trios league. Yikes. He spent the entire day wiping his new ball.

A few year ago I began to use polish on new balls to plug up the surface and reduce the sponge effect. It works well unless I resurface or sand a ball, then I need to reapply.

As for RG values, Low RG is 2.460 - 2.570. I have never seen a bowling ball with an RG over 2.57, so I've never seen a high RG ball.

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#198869 - 01/18/18 04:41 PM Re: Where is every one? [Re: Dennis Michael]
Dennis Michael Offline
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Registered: 12/11/05
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1. Where is my food dehydrator? Gotta find it, thx.
2. I can feel the difference in my hand of a symmetrical and asymmetrical ball. The weight distribution over the big knuckle of mey first finger tells me what it is.
3. I have 2 balls in my bag that are 2.58 RG. and both with .032 Diff. The difference is the cover of each. Those are my purchase parameters, 2.58 and .032. try to buy close to those numbers always.
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#198871 - 01/18/18 05:21 PM Re: Where is every one? [Re: 82Boat69]
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My gear is primarily Storm / Roto Grip, The Hy-Road Nano and Torrent are both 2000 grit sanded. I take a shammy to them between shots and I'll not polish them. At least yet. The Hy-Road is a two-piece ball and the Torrent has some filler.
The rest of the balls I have are polished and I keep Reacta Shine handy for them as needed. All my gear squeak if you rub your fingers on them.
Regarding RG the highest I have is 2.57, some around 2.54 and several around 2.49 to 2.52.
Bought the 16 lb. Hy-Road Nano because it has a lower RG and higher differential than the 15 lb. version. Of course, I can't tell the difference between a 15 lb. or 16 lb. Hy-Road original version in their reaction. smile They both do well...

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#198872 - 01/18/18 06:09 PM Re: Where is every one? [Re: djp1080]
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Registered: 01/14/07
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My Vintage DZ has an RG of 2.501 and the Super Natural is 2.55. I have no idea of the RG of the Critical Mass and the Turbo, although I am curious. A while back, you (djp1080 to avoid confusion) gave me Track's customer service e-mail when I was curious about the surface of the Critical Mass and they responded back quickly. I'm thinking of asking about the RG and I'm also contemplating contacting Ebonite for the RG of the Turbo. I think that might be more of a longshot than the surface.

The Critical Mass hardly soaks any oil, I've tried to get oil out of it and nothing happens. It is mostly all there after waiting to bowl in a 5 person league. The Vintage DZ has been a bit of a sponge, the oil is totally gone when I get up for my next shot.

Mark
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