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#197941 - 08/02/17 08:04 PM my first ball(s) fitting experiences
DG Offline
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Registered: 03/27/06
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Approximately 10 years ago I decided to try bowling and a local Pro Shop owner finger tip drilled for me a 14 lb Power Groove Reactive.
Over the subsequent 6 months I enjoyed bowling approximately 50 games, but then lost interest.
Fast forward to today and I have decided to start bowling again, mostly as a way to spend time with my 16 year old son. We made a visit to a bowling center and the Pro Shop operator recommended (for my son) a 15 lb Columbia White Dot, drilled conventional. We bought the ball and my son said the fit felt comfortable.
A few days later I had the same guy sell me the same White Dot model ball, drilled conventional, for me.This was the first time I had ever had my own ball drilled conventional. In the shop I could not get the ball off my thumb. The driller told me "it's almost too big now, I won't make it any bigger".
The next day I went to the lanes and for 25% of my attempts the ball stuck to my thumb. The other 75% of the time I had a very late release. I was trying as hard as I could to have my hand-thumb-forearm etc... very relaxed, but the ball still hung up. It was awful.
The next day I visited a different Pro Shop, showed the driller my new ball. He advised that the span was correct and that the thumb hole size was about right. He told me that the thumb pitch was drilled .25" forward. I asked him if changing it to reverse pitch would prevent my thumb from getting hung up within the ball.
He replied that zero pitch would likely work, so I had him do it. He installed a slug, then drilled an zero pitch thumb hole.
Yesterday I bowled three games with the ball's new pitch and had scores of 132, 190, 158. For me those are good scores. But most important (to me) was that I had a lot of fun seeing the ball go more or less where I was trying to roll it. And, I was not worrying about the ball sticking to my thumb, possibly hurting myself etc...
I ask you experienced bowlers if it is common for .25" difference in thumb pitch to make such a dramatic difference? My assumption is that advanced skilled bowlers can probably do reasonably well with just about any type of drilling, but myself being a relative beginner I had trouble with a forward pitch thumb hole.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

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#197943 - 08/02/17 10:21 PM Re: my first ball(s) fitting experiences [Re: DG]
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First, a little chap-stick will help get your thumb out.

Tighter thumbs are to help you relax your hand, wrist, arm and shoulder during delivery.

Before you decide to have the ball filled and re-drilled, when you throw the ball, is your thumb at eleven o'clock and does it come out before your fingers?

If not, it should. Often, hanging up in the thumb is a symptom of poor delivery/release technique than poor ball drilling.
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#197944 - 08/02/17 10:35 PM Re: my first ball(s) fitting experiences [Re: DG]
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The general rule is, forward pitch helps you hold onto the ball and reverse helps you get out of the ball faster.

As to your question, everyone's hand is difference so it's difficult to compare. I wouldn't fault the first driller, he gave you what he thought was a safe pitch angle.

When you get better, you'll want to step back up to a reactive ball and that White Dot will work great as a spare ball.
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#197945 - 08/02/17 11:32 PM Re: my first ball(s) fitting experiences [Re: DG]
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My thumb pitch is 3/8" forward.
Previously my thumb pitch was reversed and I didn't know anything different at the time (high school or earlier). Much of the time I'd drop the ball, but never went back to the Pro Shop. After coming back to this game about 7 years ago I knew that the lanes and balls had changed drastically. So I was determined to learn a bit about modern bowling which eventually led me to wanting to go to a forward pitch on my thumb hole.
Step 1 was to try zero pitch and after a few changes the Pro Shop had me where I'm today. I clear the hole fine and my grip is relaxed. I continue to experiment with both black and white tape in each ball I use. I recently tried Powerhouse's tape and I think I like their products better than others.
I'm happy with the changes I've made in thumb pitch. It among other things was quite a surprising learning experience.

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#197946 - 08/02/17 11:40 PM Re: my first ball(s) fitting experiences [Re: 82Boat69]
DG Offline
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For 82Boat69,

Please read my post and understand that I've already had the ball re-drilled. I enjoy rolling it much better now that it has zero pitch.
In his shop, when he realized the ball was hung up on my thumb, the original driller did offer some chap-stick. But I was still unable to the ball to release from my thumb.
To summarize, I had a hung up thumb with a .25 forward pitch, and no thumb issue once the pitch was changed to zero.
I understand , and agree with your point, that "often, hanging up in the thumb is a symptom of poor delivery/release technique than poor ball drilling". But, no matter what I tried I could not get the .25" forward pitch drilled ball off my thumb.At least now with the zero pitch I can roll the ball:)


Edited by DG (08/02/17 11:46 PM)

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#197947 - 08/02/17 11:53 PM Re: my first ball(s) fitting experiences [Re: goobee]
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Originally Posted By: goobee
The general rule is, forward pitch helps you hold onto the ball and reverse helps you get out of the ball faster.

As to your question, everyone's hand is difference so it's difficult to compare. I wouldn't fault the first driller, he gave you what he thought was a safe pitch angle.

When you get better, you'll want to step back up to a reactive ball and that White Dot will work great as a spare ball.


I do not fault the first driller. I imagine it is not easy drilling for a novice bowler.
As for a reactive ball, in the 65 or so games I played with my Power Groove Reactive, I did enjoy the moderate hook ball it offered me.
That one was drilled finger tip. If I bought another reactive ball, but with conventional grip, would it hook more than my new White Dot ball ?

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#197948 - 08/02/17 11:59 PM Re: my first ball(s) fitting experiences [Re: djp1080]
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Originally Posted By: djp1080
My thumb pitch is 3/8" forward.
Previously my thumb pitch was reversed and I didn't know anything different at the time (high school or earlier). Much of the time I'd drop the ball, but never went back to the Pro Shop. After coming back to this game about 7 years ago I knew that the lanes and balls had changed drastically. So I was determined to learn a bit about modern bowling which eventually led me to wanting to go to a forward pitch on my thumb hole.
Step 1 was to try zero pitch and after a few changes the Pro Shop had me where I'm today. I clear the hole fine and my grip is relaxed. I continue to experiment with both black and white tape in each ball I use. I recently tried Powerhouse's tape and I think I like their products better than others.
I'm happy with the changes I've made in thumb pitch. It among other things was quite a surprising learning experience.


Thanks for your reply smile
I am not sure why my thumb hung up in the .25" forward pitch. It was probably too much tension. I do know it is easier for me to maintain a straight thumb with the ball's current zero pitch.

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#197949 - 08/03/17 08:21 AM Re: my first ball(s) fitting experiences [Re: DG]
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If you have forward pitch in thumb, it shortens your span. You have to relax span too.

If you leave span the same, you grip the ball, unintentionally.

I've been going to a diff ball driller last couple years, and having trouble with him. I finally pulled out an old ball and found it much more comfortable. Had my thumb checked.

The new driller had thumb at 0-0. And, the old ball was 9/16 reverse. Changed all balls, and they now fit.


Edited by Dennis Michael (08/03/17 08:47 AM)
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#197951 - 08/03/17 01:25 PM Re: my first ball(s) fitting experiences [Re: DG]
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Originally Posted By: DG

If I bought another reactive ball, but with conventional grip, would it hook more than my new White Dot ball ?


Most likely yes. The majority of higher performance balls have an inner core that help them move on their own. On balls specs you'll see a term called "flare" which is basically the amount of wobble the core produces. The more flare or wobble, the higher the potential for the ball to create hook on its own. Obviously this is an overly simplified expanation as there are other factors involved as well.

Find a driller who will watch you bowl. With first hand knowledge of your game, that PSO should be able to recommend a good ball and layout for your style.
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#197952 - 08/03/17 02:22 PM Re: my first ball(s) fitting experiences [Re: DG]
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.25 difference in pitch is quite a bit and it can make all the difference in the world. I am currently at 3/16 reverse at 4 3/4 span. I have tried to go more forward in the thumb, but even 1/16 of an inch more forward makes me hang up and not be able to get out of the ball.. so I have stuck with 3/16 which I can get out of with no issues.
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