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#197789 - 06/30/17 05:07 AM Re: Lane Machine Breakdowns [Re: BOSStull]
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Originally Posted By: BOSStull
Our first lane machine break down in a long time occurred a couple of weeks ago and has created havoc among many bowlers accustomed to a specific THS shot.

Our THS has not been the same for 4 weeks. Week 1 of bowling was the normal house shot. The next week a noticeable change very dry with a lot of complaints from bowlers. Week 3 oiled with an older machine. Lane man said the other one broke last week. This time it was like a reverse blocks outside of 5 being out of bounds.. oops This week again oiled differently again. This time a noticeable visual difference. No longer the usual BOWLMOR 24" start of the oil but more like 6-8 in.I was asssured this time that this pattern is it until they start using a brand new machine in a couple of weeks. I have bowled near or above average each week so it was no big deal but it sure put my team mates in a FUNK. I wonder what it is going to be like in a couple weeks. I do hope they keep the stat of the oil at 6.


Originally Posted By: BOSStull
It was our Brunswick machine that broke. The older Kegel machine is being used now. I was told they are getting a new machine. I would be happy with the Kegel. It laid a good THS down last week.
Spoke too soon. Back to the shot with outside out of 5 being out of bounds. Bring on the mew machine.
This is it. Same this week. Kegel machine. I considered the outside shot was my A game. Since it was no longer there I was forced to move in and bowled well. As long as they are consistent I will be happy.
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#197832 - 07/10/17 10:22 AM Re: Lane Machine Breakdowns [Re: BowlerBill]
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The past 2 weeks of bowling have been....... different. I found out yesterday that the new Brunswick machine is NOT stripping correctly. It seems to strip in lines downlane. Some boards stripped, others not.

Desk guy told me they are working on it.

Well, this house is in trouble. 2 bar tenders have been let go for over filling drinks. The Manager, who stood up to the Corporate Auditors who found that problem, and defended the bar tenders, just quit. This is on top of the head Laneman who quit last month. And, left the lane machine not working.

They are under staffed, and service is not good. People wait at the desk for a lane, because the desk person has to go in the back office to record their daily receipts. Often, the desk person also runs the concession. So, wait for a lane or your burger.

But, the building has been painted outside, red, black, white and grey stripes. The interior is in various stages of remodel. All, unfinished. Half painted walls every where. Bathrooms need help, as they fired the cleaning crew and employees have to clean them.

This buyout of Brunswick took a top 10 house, Nationally, and made it a sorry place to go.

Oh, and the water main to the building broke 2 weeks ago. We now have a 4 foot deep hole in the main drive, with water spewing out. There is a backhoe blocking the path of cars.

If this happened during league season, teams would be bolting.

The lane condition is the least of the problems.
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#197833 - 07/10/17 12:29 PM Re: Lane Machine Breakdowns [Re: BowlerBill]
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Our league fled from Brunswick to an independent center. Whether the machines were not functioning correctly or just being used incorrectly or just not caring. . . well, the new (old) independent house is really treating us better. Full-strip just before league and nobody allowed on the lanes before we bowl.

So much nicer!
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#197837 - 07/11/17 06:18 PM Re: Lane Machine Breakdowns [Re: BowlerBill]
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MMalsed, that's a bowling alley, not entertainment center.

Anyone read the article in Bowling This Month, by Johnson. good quote. "Bowling is governed by lane conditions and equipment." Is the bowler really immaterial?

Heard today that a few teams are not coming back for Monday. And, they don't know about my team that is leaving too. Probably 6 of the 24 teams are leaving Monday, and 4 of the 16 on thursday men's.

It's now July 11. 2 full weeks of a back how blocking the drive. but, concrete is poured.
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#197843 - 07/12/17 10:20 PM Re: Lane Machine Breakdowns [Re: BowlerBill]
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Before I retired from bowling in 1991, I don't recall much complaining about lane conditions. Complaints about approaches were plenty but lanes, no. It appears times have really changed and definitely not for the better.
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#197844 - 07/13/17 05:17 AM Re: Lane Machine Breakdowns [Re: goobee]
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Hear! Hear!

It use to be, tough lane conditions were expected. Nobody knew what to expect.

Today, everyone has an 'inflated' average and a false sense of their own capabilities. When lane machines breakdown, they're forced to deal with the truth about their game.

In my opinion, bowling ball manufacturers and bowling proprietors have sewn the seeds of their own demise. By making the game so easy, nobody has to practice to be good.
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#197845 - 07/13/17 11:54 AM Re: Lane Machine Breakdowns [Re: BowlerBill]
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that's strange, I distinctly remember complaints about the lanes in the late 80s and 90s. Complaints that the mopping was not done evenly or that too much was sprayed on.

We have a tendency to put a golden hue on everything in the past. But if you look at old BBS's, or old list-serves, you'll see the same complaints, but just in a different color. Bowling balls that were too soft, or a bleeder, or cheating on the scorecard (which was EASY) before they became irrelevant, or too much top weight or using/bringing acetone or MEK.

My complaints about the machines are when they actually malfunction (in one case, you could see a "stripe" of oil going down the lane) or when management doesn't clean the lane after parties, just runs the machine down 30-40 feet and calls it good.
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#197846 - 07/13/17 03:04 PM Re: Lane Machine Breakdowns [Re: mmalsed]
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We can't forget complaining about the pins. Our center got new pins for the fall season a few weeks ago as the current pins are a few years old. Out of curiosity, I asked the manager when they were being put in since I figured it would be right at the start of the fall season like they normally do when they get new pins. He said they're going in the beginning of August because of complaints that they will not be broken in yet. He also mentioned how the same people complaining that they will be too new were complaining about the current pins being too old. The manager has been in the industry a long time and he pretty much echoed what mmalsed said that bowlers have been complaining about lots of stuff for a very long time.

As a side note, I love when the center gets new pins because I love how much more crisp they sound.

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#197848 - 07/14/17 09:01 AM Re: Lane Machine Breakdowns [Re: Mkirchie]
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complaints that they will not be broken in yet. He also mentioned how the same people complaining that they will be too new were complaining about the current pins being too old.


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#197885 - 07/22/17 03:40 AM Re: Lane Machine Breakdowns [Re: BowlerBill]
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Went to the lanes today. They had a Lane man come from another center to work on our oiler. He did find some broken parts to replace.

he also set up the machine to lay the same pattern as his center has. And, we tried it out.

It's wider then out pattern which was a narrow XMas tree. Dry outside of 8. And, stripped back end. Can't tell you the total units.

Anyhow, I found it to be a much fairer shot. smoother transition exiting the dry, giving a nicely rounded hook to the pocket. I got good length and the ball never broke early. Not as much snap on the back end.

6 of us tried out the pattern with different opinions. Those who rolled straight up 10 found it slicker. And outside to the 8 was not to their liking. Others who rolled a down and in shot found it smooth with good back end reaction.

I got good length, even at my speed. Used my heavier balls to start, the switched to a pearl straight up. I liked it.
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