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#197367 - 04/29/17 08:57 PM Flat Pattern prep
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As I think ahead to next week's US Open pattern, 40 feet of 1:1 oil, I have but one ball. The Storm Crux.

I was reading Mo's old ball surface article and trying to make sense of it.

If I take mine down to 360 and do a 500/100 pad, will the 360 layer always be there, making the ball a little more surface than it ever was?


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#197369 - 04/30/17 12:13 PM Re: Flat Pattern prep [Re: SteveH]
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I'm no Mo Pinel, but I've done a lot of experimenting with this. What I've found is that the surface under the top surface does make a noticeable difference in ball reaction (500/4000 is different than 2000/4000) but a third surface was impossible for me to detect in terms of reaction shape, when the ball reads the lane, and total boards hooked.
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#197374 - 04/30/17 12:56 PM Re: Flat Pattern prep [Re: SteveH]
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360 and do a 500/100 pad, will the 360 layer always be there, making the ball a little more surface than it ever was?


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the surface under the top surface does make a noticeable difference in ball reaction


I had the biggest problem getting my head around this, Thinking in terms of wood working or body work as you change to smoother/ finer grits you remove/knock down the rougher previous surface.

But from what I know understand is you are "cross hatching" one surface over the last so your just "topping" off the highest peaks of the coarser surface with the smother second grit. undecided
Do I have it Right?
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#197376 - 04/30/17 01:11 PM Re: Flat Pattern prep [Re: SteveH]
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Yeah, you've got it right. 360 or 500 is so much more coarse than 2000 or 4000 that when you run the smoother pad over the top, you are trimming down the peaks, but not all the way to the bottom of the valleys.

Now, a 4000 on top is still a 4000 finish, regardless what's underneath it. It will go longer with more backend than something at 1000. But 500/4000 is definitely a slightly different animal than 3000/4000
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#197382 - 05/01/17 09:25 AM Re: Flat Pattern prep [Re: SteveH]
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O.K. thumbsup I get the sanding.

How about wax/polish for getting the ball to go long?


I know there are different types on the market.

Some claim to make the ball go long.

Some with increased hook and some that will decrease back end.

The question is do they work,for how long and will it come off or harm the ball? help
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#197383 - 05/01/17 09:39 AM Re: Flat Pattern prep [Re: champ]
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Yeah, you've got it right. 360 or 500 is so much more coarse than 2000 or 4000 that when you run the smoother pad over the top, you are trimming down the peaks, but not all the way to the bottom of the valleys.
Now, a 4000 on top is still a 4000 finish, regardless what's underneath it. It will go longer with more backend than something at 1000. But 500/4000 is definitely a slightly different animal than 3000/4000


Plus I had a typ "100" was meant to be 1000. There is no 100 pad that I know of.

I have limited equipment to experiment with this, and only one solid ball. But as the Crux gets older, I definitely will use it as my surface experimenter. You have it right Champ, there are subtle differences. I had to take my Roto Grip Hammer down to 360 once due to deeper scratches. Even after twice trying to redo it, it always had more reaction than it was meant to, and I loved that reaction.
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#197384 - 05/01/17 09:49 AM Re: Flat Pattern prep [Re: W9JAB]
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Originally Posted By: W9JAB
O.K. thumbsup I get the sanding.
How about wax/polish for getting the ball to go long?

I know there are different types on the market.
Some claim to make the ball go long.
Some with increased hook and some that will decrease back end.
The question is do they work,for how long and will it come off or harm the ball? help


For our drier house shot I always use a certain amount of Storms Reacta shine for added length, and some zip in the backend. It wears down after 4-6 games, and easily remedied with a quick hand sanding

But I don;t need any length on the flat ppattern. Ball will slide down like a car going downhill on black ice
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#197385 - 05/01/17 09:51 AM Re: Flat Pattern prep [Re: W9JAB]
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Extender works for me, but the effects only last a few games.
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#197392 - 05/02/17 12:08 PM Re: Flat Pattern prep [Re: SteveH]
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you do NOT want the ball to go long on the dbls/sgls pattern. It's already LONG.

I wish I'd put 500 on my Crux, I think it would have done quite well. My Marvel was at 500 and it did okay, I just wish I could have gotten a better entry angle.

The idea with going 360 then 500 is that, you're right, you knock down the big "mountains" but leave the valleys.

I would seriously just go with 500. That seemed to be a general go-to kinda thing.
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#197393 - 05/02/17 12:12 PM Re: Flat Pattern prep [Re: mmalsed]
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What kind of rev-rate do you have? Even on an oily condition, when I go with low grit sanding, 360 or 500, I lose so many RPM's, the result is not always what I desired.
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