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#195798 - 11/02/16 06:11 PM 2013 Badger - Ball/surface to use?
BowlerBill Offline
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I should have asked this question late last week. My league will be putting out the 2013 PBA Badger pattern for the next 6 weeks. It's 52 feet long and appears to have a heavy volume of oil at least in the middle of the lane.

Almost all of my equipment is asymmetric and have some sort of surface on it.

I have a Global 900 X, which is a smooth rolling ball. It generally like a dry back end. I'm thinking of putting a 500 or 1,000 grit surface on this ball and throwing it up 15 - 18.

What do you guys think? I'll post the results after bowling tonight.
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#195799 - 11/02/16 07:14 PM Re: 2013 Badger - Ball/surface to use? [Re: BowlerBill]
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I just finished 2 weeks on Badger. With my 16 MPH, 250 RPM lefty release, the challenge is not usually finding the pocket, but getting the ball into a roll on the backend, and with sufficient entry angle. However, 500 grit or lower usually burns up the heads, causes the ball to hook early, and further decreases backend reaction. This year, I tried 240/800 grit on both my HyperCell and Eternal Cell and had the best ball reaction ever. Well executed shots not only hit the pocket, but also carried. And, I did not have to slow the ball down to get it to hook/roll.
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#195800 - 11/02/16 08:15 PM Re: 2013 Badger - Ball/surface to use? [Re: Joe Bowler]
BowlerBill Offline
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Hi Joe,

Would you recommend the 1,000 grit instead of 500? Sound like you did pretty good on this pattern.

Bill
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#195807 - 11/03/16 05:24 AM Re: 2013 Badger - Ball/surface to use? [Re: BowlerBill]
Joe Bowler Offline
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Bill, as I mentioned 240/800 worked best for me, but there are a lot of variables involved in matching up. If the only pads you have are 500 and 1000, I would suggest trying the 1000 first.
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#195810 - 11/04/16 12:58 AM Re: 2013 Badger - Ball/surface to use? [Re: BowlerBill]
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A righty doesn't want too much surface on a long pattern. You need to keep your breakpoint/exit point close to the pocket. Use asymmetric/high diff equipment to get the tip you need on the backend and moderate surface.

Too much surface and you'll carve the front and middle of the pattern quickly. Then when you move left you'll have created a wet/dry/wet condition. UGLY.

Now of course, people you'll be bowling with will be throwing 360 up the track because they'll be thinking "long pattern, I need to MAKE this thing kook." But too much surface in the hands of righties who don't know better is often the downfall of the sport league experience.

"Hmmm if I just put more surface on this thing, I'll carve a wall."
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#195811 - 11/04/16 12:46 PM Re: 2013 Badger - Ball/surface to use? [Re: BowlerBill]
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I agree with champ. My righty tweener teammate had a great look with his Haywire sanded 500/2000 playing just inside the track area, taking advantage of the increasing hold built into the pattern between 10 and 10. More RPMs and more traffic make it possible to score well playing deeper with less surface. As long as the ball is rolling when it hits the pins, that's all the surface you need. I found skipping grits to be helpful slowing down the ball enough to get it into a roll on the backend without blowing up too early (i.e. hooking prematurely).


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#195815 - 11/06/16 05:27 PM Re: 2013 Badger - Ball/surface to use? [Re: BowlerBill]
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I ended up with 191, 182, 195 for 568. The advice given was right on point.

I have 2 Mission X balls. One hooks far more than the other. One ball has a balance hole and reads the lane earlier than the other ball.

In practice, I used both balls and couldn't find anything at all.

In G1, the only think I could do is throw from the outside in, pointing the ball from the corner to the headpin. The guys on the other team saw this and moved to the 10 board.

As the lanes broke down, a shot straight up the 10 board started working pretty well for most of us. I, then was able to go to my most aggressive ball and throw up the 10 too. I would have scored higher if not for some splits.

The guy I bowled against was a pretty good bowler. He ended up shooting, 212, 244 and 245 against me for 701. Normally, in this league, games in the high 180 - 190 range will win some points but not on this night.

Thanks for the help.
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#195857 - 11/10/16 11:30 PM Re: 2013 Badger - Ball/surface to use? [Re: BowlerBill]
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Fared a little better on night 2.

234 (clean), 214 (clean) 153 (1s, +3O). The lanes broke down in G3 and I couldn't get lined back up. Straight up the 10/11 board worked well. I like this pattern much better than the last one.
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