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#19454 - 02/21/05 04:46 PM "Perfect" angle into the pocket?
cheetah Offline
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I've read on this forum that if a ball hits the head pin between the 17th and 18 boards, the strike percentage reaches 100%. Does this take into account the angle of the ball into the pocket? Would a ball thrown straight down the seam between the 17th and 18th boards (0 degrees) guarantee a strike? I would expect the ball to deflect off to the right (for a right-handed bowler), and therefore not hit the 5 or the 9 pin, which by definition have to be hit by the ball for a "perfect" strike. Conversely, a ball hitting the pocket at say a 60 degree angle into the pocket would hit the 1, 3, and maybe the 5, but not the 9 pin.

Someone once told me that a 6 degree angle into the pocket results in the most strikes. Has anyone else heard this, or something similar? If this is true, can you determine a "perfect" breakpoint?

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#19455 - 02/21/05 08:33 PM Re: "Perfect" angle into the pocket?
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Firstly you have to understand that something being statistically 100%, doesn't mean anything in the real world.

You still have to contact the head pin every time with less than 1/8 inch discrepancy, to achieve 100% strike probability.

As far as the laws of physics goes, when round objects collide, energy is transfered directly from the point of contact, through the center of the object, regardless of direction of motion, until you exceed an angle of 90 degrees from the direction of travel to the point of contact.

So theoretically is it doesn't matter if the ball contacts the head pin at 2 degrees or 6 degrees. However in reality we know from experiments, that 6 degrees is a perfect entry angle for a high strike probability.

Now hitting these standing round objects in a manner that causes the lines of pin concussion to form in straight lines, is no guarantee the you will carry the full rack. The probability of the ball expending its energy before contacting the 5 pin is high. Changing the angle to be more advantageous to hitting the 5 pin can cost you the entry angle to carry the corners.

So even though the statistics point out a given being more probable than another given, it doesn't mean that you can execute it precisely and repeatably.

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#19456 - 02/21/05 11:36 PM Re: "Perfect" angle into the pocket?
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I agree that the energy is transfered perpendicular to the contact point, but the amount of energy is a factor of the contact point relative to the path of the ball (ie hitting the pin dead-on versus just clipping it). Also, all other things equal, a 5 degree difference in the angle into the pocket is a 5 degree difference in the deflection off the head pin.

So if 6 degrees has the highest probability of producing a strike, then if your ball's breakpoint falls along an imaginary line from between the 17 and 18 board at a 6 degree angle, would that be a "perfect" breakpoint?

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#19457 - 02/22/05 01:51 AM Re: "Perfect" angle into the pocket?
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And if you are a billiards player you know that the side spin on a ball will impart an opposite spin on the object it contacts. Spinning objects in contact with a surface (the pin deck) will not travel in the same path as a moving object without spin.

So would a bowling ball with "English" hitting between the 17th and 18th board impart the same pin mix as a ball hitting the same spot with no side spin?
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#19458 - 02/22/05 09:10 AM Re: "Perfect" angle into the pocket?
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Coach makes a good point about the ball expending it's energy. You can hit the hole all day with the perfect angle and get tapped because the ball is deflecting and not driving through the pocket.

I hear so many people curse the lanes when they leave corner pins and then do nothing about it. They insist that it's the lanes and not them. When they've calmed down enough, I tell them to watch where their ball is rolling off of the back of the pin deck, and that I've never seen someone leave a 10 (for a righty) when the ball goes off the lane behind the 5 pin. Then they watch where their ball is falling off the pin deck and it's well right of the 5 pin.

Then you need to figure out why that's happening. Is the ball in the oil too long and not getting the roll it needs? Is it rolling out? Do you need to move? Switch balls? Change your hand position?

And the change that you need to make might give you a less than optimal angle to the pocket, but it's going to increase your carry.

Where you'd like to be and what the lane will give you are sometimes two different things..

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#19459 - 02/22/05 01:15 PM Re: "Perfect" angle into the pocket?
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">Originally posted by cheetah:
Someone once told me that a 6 degree angle into the pocket results in the most strikes. Has anyone else heard this, or something similar? If this is true, can you determine a "perfect" breakpoint? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="VERDANA,ARIAL,HELVETICA,TAHOMA">cheetah,

I'm not anywhere near the authority on this subject as Coach04 and others, but I've gleaned from a book that I'm presently reading, in regards to the Breakpoint - I'm going on memory here, so others need to jump in if Alzheimers has taken over... - an optimum point on the lane to obtain a 6 degree angle into the pocket is for the ball to be on the 7th board around the 40' mark on the lane.

I don't believe that's an absolute or the only optimum Breakpoint; that's just what's running through my mind at the moment.

Hopefully we'll have some more discussion on this specific.

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#19460 - 02/22/05 02:56 PM Re: "Perfect" angle into the pocket?
cheetah Offline
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Dave,

So a breakpoint approximately 2/3 down the lane and around the 7 board is ideal. Thanks!

I'll try it out in my league tomorrow. Hopefully the conditions will permit it.

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#19461 - 02/22/05 03:10 PM Re: "Perfect" angle into the pocket?
cheetah Offline
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I just used Excel to create a table showing the breakpoint board and length that will achieve a 6 degree angle into the pocket between the 17 and 18 boards. If anyone is interested in the equation I used, let me know.

Board...Length
1..........39
2..........40
3..........41
4..........43
5..........44
6..........45
7..........47
8..........48
9..........49
10.........51
11.........52
12.........53
13.........55
14.........56
15.........57
16.........59
17.........60

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#19462 - 02/22/05 03:21 PM Re: "Perfect" angle into the pocket?
Lefty Offline
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Now all you have to do is mark all the lanes so you know how far 47 feet is wink

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#19463 - 02/22/05 03:28 PM Re: "Perfect" angle into the pocket?
cheetah Offline
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Or a really good golf caddy...

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