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#194102 - 04/14/16 11:07 AM Triangle Layout
NoThumbNoProblem Offline
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I'm starting my second sport shot league this summer and was looking to fill a gap in my arsenal with a strong asymmetric. I went to my local shop and saw they had a DV8 Thug Corrupt that used to be a demo ball for only $60 including drilling. As I was talking about layouts, the PSO got a strange look on his face and asked if I wanted to try something crazy. I already knew he was talking about the triangle layout that has been getting some attention. They haven't had the chance to drill it yet and was hoping I'd be their guinea pig. If you want some basic info about the layout, check out the article on Bowling ball .com here.

I've been trying the different orientations, and they do indeed give you much different looks on the lanes. My problem is I've been trying to keep track of how each position varies, but have had conflicting results so far. I'm not sure if that is due to my finger still being hurt/cut (added bevel and tape) or if it's because it's an asymmetric. These games were also during open bowling and the lanes were probably in rough shape as well.

I was hoping I could get a bit more info on how the ball should roll in each position (pin at 12, 2, 4, 6, 8, and 10 o'clock) Is it possible for this layout to have consistent rolls on an asymmetric ball considering the MB is also rotating around?


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#194106 - 04/14/16 01:36 PM Re: Triangle Layout [Re: NoThumbNoProblem]
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Interesting concept to say the least. 3 different reactions from one ball.

I can't help answer your question but maybe you can answer mine.

1. I'm thinking of giving them thumbless style a shot. Are these balls drilled so the fingers go in to the second knuckle?

2. Was this a hard style to learn?

3. what weight ball should I start off with?

there are a couple of guys in my league who use this style and they all kill with it. They, by far, score higher than everyone.

Thanks and good luck making this ball work.
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#194108 - 04/14/16 02:10 PM Re: Triangle Layout [Re: BowlerBill]
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1. Mine are all drilled finger-tip, but conventional is possible. Some even do one of each. Depends on what you're comfortable with. Definitely don't need to go to second knuckle.

2. Easy to learn, but tough to control until you get used to it. I only use one hand, while most others use two. Whichever way you want to do it, it's best to start learning with two hands until your forearm/wrist strength increases. Remember to roll the ball!

3. You can start with any equipment you already have in practice. As for sanctioned play, just know your thumb hole would count as a balance hole. If you only have two fingers and a thumb hole, you're good.

Be prepared for some criticism while bowling this way. Most people don't care, but I've had people who get really annoyed when I'm doing well and "challenge" my equipment or style and cause headaches for the league. Thankfully those are rare. With it being more popular, people are more accepting and there are a lot more resources you can use to improve your technique. Have fun with it.

This layout actually offers 6 different positions as you can see below. However, I've heard you'll only ever use 4 or so.


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#194115 - 04/15/16 11:47 AM Re: Triangle Layout [Re: NoThumbNoProblem]
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if they don't allow as much side weight or whatever, then they're going to need to define one hole as weight hole and not allow it to be used with fingers or something. . .
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#194116 - 04/15/16 03:35 PM Re: Triangle Layout [Re: mmalsed]
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Not sure exactly what you mean mmalsed, but with the center of grip being the CG, there is zero side weight in any position. As the current USBC rules stand, the only issue is not being able to use finger inserts or a hole in any other position.
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#194117 - 04/15/16 06:31 PM Re: Triangle Layout [Re: NoThumbNoProblem]
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Oooooh, hadn't thought of that. smile
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#194125 - 04/17/16 03:10 PM Re: Triangle Layout [Re: NoThumbNoProblem]
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Now that I've had some time to shoot around with the ball a bit more, I've gotten a much better idea on how each orientation works. Keep in mind that this is on a 40' house shot and the diagrams I made are not to scale or computer generated. I just wanted to make a visual representation in paint based on my notes. I kept track of where I stood, aimed, and the shape for each orientation.

Here are my findings. I've included the shapes and what I expect I'll be using each for. Your results may vary.

Basic Notes:
12': "Toasty"- Behaves a lot like a urethane. Smooth roll, doesn't overreact, continuous. Little overall hook.
2': Short (Fresh)- Long, quicker reaction to dry
4': Long (Broken)- Reads early, smooth roll
6': Long (Fresh)- Reads early, turns hard and fast
8': "House"- Versatile. Reads a bit late, continuous, smooth. Good recovery.
10': Short (Broken)- Long, smooth roll, little hook overall.

Once they start to put out the sport patterns I can get a better feel of how they each preform.


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#194154 - 04/21/16 09:12 PM Re: Triangle Layout [Re: NoThumbNoProblem]
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Originally Posted By: NoThumbNoProblem


1. Mine are all drilled finger-tip, but conventional is possible. Some even do one of each. Depends on what you're comfortable with. Definitely don't need to go to second knuckle.

2. Easy to learn, but tough to control until you get used to it. I only use one hand, while most others use two. Whichever way you want to do it, it's best to start learning with two hands until your forearm/wrist strength increases. Remember to roll the ball!

3. You can start with any equipment you already have in practice. As for sanctioned play, just know your thumb hole would count as a balance hole. If you only have two fingers and a thumb hole, you're good.

Be prepared for some criticism while bowling this way. Most people don't care, but I've had people who get really annoyed when I'm doing well and "challenge" my equipment or style and cause headaches for the league. Thankfully those are rare. With it being more popular, people are more accepting and there are a lot more resources you can use to improve your technique. Have fun with it.

This layout actually offers 6 different positions as you can see below. However, I've heard you'll only ever use 4 or so.


I threw some practice games this week. Once I was warmed up I gave this style a shot. I tried a 13 lb house ball and then ended up using one of my 15 lb balls.

I couldn't throw the ball using only one hand so I used both hands. I had to really open up in order go get the ball moving down the middle of the lane. My footwork/arm swing timing was bad, as could be expected.

The biggest problem was, I kept my arm under the ball and every shot went straight down the lane. Do you have any tips on how to work the release?

I gave up after 5 frames and reverted back to a 4 step approach. I've been using a 5 step since last summer. I had a 268 and 278 with the 4 step. I'm going to keep experimenting with this style to see if it's worthy of being an option.

Thanks, Bill
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#194156 - 04/22/16 10:48 AM Re: Triangle Layout [Re: BowlerBill]
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The most important thing to do when you're trying to work on anything is to slow down. As you get the technique down, you can begin increasing speed. Not sure what equipment you're using, but if it's not moving at all, it could be your release or it could be where you are playing on the lane. Try moving towards the outside gutter and roll straight up 10 or so and see how it goes from there.

Remember: Your second hand is there in place of your thumb. It is not there to impart revs on the ball. Your release should be very similar to when you use your thumb.

You can also look up videos of PBA two-handers and see how they bowl and try to mimic their style.
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#194201 - 04/28/16 01:13 PM Re: Triangle Layout [Re: NoThumbNoProblem]
NoThumbNoProblem Offline
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After all of the work I put into the triangle layout, I have decided to plug and redrill the ball. The ability to tweak the way the ball hooks was amazing, but the lack of inserts (and apparently the pitch) was causing my middle finger to cut/tear. I tried all kinds of tape methods, but nothing worked for me. I would still highly recommend it to those that want to try it. For now I'll just go back to my "normal" bowling balls.
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