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#193583 - 02/17/16 12:01 PM Re: What do you do when you have no wiggle room? [Re: nord]
Dylan585 Offline
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We have totally opposite styles but I still like playing the lanes the way you do just I do it differently with different equipment... When I have that issue I have to move everything right. I will move my eyes 1 right and my feet 2 until I find an angle that gets me close then just play around with my feet
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#193597 - 02/18/16 04:50 PM Re: What do you do when you have no wiggle room? [Re: nord]
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#194015 - 04/05/16 11:27 AM Re: What do you do when you have no wiggle room? [Re: spr3wr]
nord Offline
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Registered: 10/27/11
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Ahh, thank you for the new link.
I see the picture now.
So a break point at 7 or 8?
Actually I generally have a lot of difficulty throwing a ball out and getting it to come back at Poway.
My Full Roller style is much more straight and unless the lane is bone dry I can't roll over 10 and out to 7 and expect it to come back.
The ball generally will just fade out to the right or come back so weak it will just bounce off causing trouble.
Of course I never use reactive gear at Poway since it is so dry there.
But on nice houses like Kearny or Parkway in San Diego I can use reactive and fade the ball out as you sugest.

Here I am at Kearny on a perfect house shot using my Marvel S and you can see the ball goes out to 7 and grabs hard and rushes the pocket:

But here is Poway. I find I have to stay around second arrow or inside to get grab in the back end.
For some reason the back end in the middle of the lane is very reactive but on the outsides the backend has little grab.
This is with my 1980's AMF Angle Plus urethane ball at stock grit:
High Game: 259 bowled with The Hardwick Rubber Ball at Poway Bowl.
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#194067 - 04/11/16 10:45 AM Re: What do you do when you have no wiggle room? [Re: nord]
W9JAB Offline
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Registered: 01/07/14
Posts: 272
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Hi Nord,

I have watched your videos on you tube, and keep up on your postings, As we have a similar style of bowling.

Your ball dose a radical flip at the end to the pocket, Kool but hard to be consistent, as speed and position can very. so will were the ball ends up.

Have you tried a Ball/release that will give you a smoother arc
to the pocket?

Just moving your thumb from 3:00 to 11:00 may help.

Just a thought.

L/T 48
Code Black

#194110 - 04/14/16 04:29 PM Re: What do you do when you have no wiggle room? [Re: nord]
dalion Offline
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Registered: 05/15/15
Posts: 42
A/S/L: 46/M/VA
If I hit half a board to the left of second arrow the ball would go high and split.
If I hit half a board right of second arrow the ball would either not come back or hit very light.

Very odd that throwing it right would have less reaction. It sounds like your house has oil on the outside of the lane? If that's the case, I would of moved in, or left w/ both my feet and target to try and use some of that 'dry' surface where u say the ball was over hooking and avoiding the outside where it would skid? Not a shot u normally see in a House condition. The standard adjustment is to move your feet 2 boards, and target 1 board. Most bowlers aren't comfortable moving in and playing that kind of angle, so if there truly was oil on the outside, I might of tried utilizing it: Moving right and sending the ball further right. That reminds me of the Conditions at the "Bolony Tournament" in Harrisburg this summer. I tried playing inside, even deep inside and could not score. Once I finally realized the oil was on the outer edge of the lane (by playing deep inside and sometimes sending it a lil too wide an noticing the ball skidding instead of hooking), I moved right an starting playing 1st arrow & finally started scoring well.
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