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#193640 - 02/23/16 09:10 AM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: BOSStull]
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I'd rather not change the scoring system, either. What's lost is the degree of resolution. But, good shot + easy spare balances itself out with bad shot + tough spare. The premise of a strike being 30 points is "counting" the next two shots as strikes. It's a similar premise for a spare being 20 points, "counting" the next shot as a strike. Surely, making open frames worth 10 points would be more controversial, but it would appeal to the math challenged and "everybody gets a trophy" mindset prevalent today.
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#193642 - 02/23/16 11:40 AM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: Joe Bowler]
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I think that due to the nature of the game, some sort of bonus system is always going to be necessary due to the fact that you can never just score by total pins knocked down in a 2 shot system. I think that there would be an uproar from the bowling world if we scored each frame only by 1st ball with no 2nd ball. But, it would (mostly) help the math challenged and those who are not good spare shooters.

I more look at the 30 for a strike as # of pins knocked down plus a 20 pin bonus for knocking down all the pins in one shot. Then, the spare is the number of pins knocked down plus a 10 pin bonus for knocking down all the pins in 2 shots. I wasn't thinking of it in the sense of the current bonus ball format.

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#193645 - 02/23/16 11:18 PM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: BOSStull]
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The other thing this system does is remove the importance of which frames a bowler strikes, or doesn't strike. Traditionally, if you go spare, then 11 in a row, you shoot 290. Strike spare 10 bigger is 280. Strike strike 9/ 9 bagger is 279. They all have 11 strikes and a spare, but all 3 scores are different because of when the bowlers didn't strike. If a golfer birdies the first hole, then pars the next 17 holes on a par 72 course, he shoots 71. It doesn't matter which hole he birdies though, as 17 pars and one birdie is 1 under par.
The wbt system makes bowling more like golf in that area.
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#193648 - 02/24/16 03:07 PM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: mmalsed]
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Originally Posted By: mmalsed
it takes the compound scoring out of it. Scores should be higher:

.X...9-...9/....X...X....9-....X...X.....9-.....X9/
19..28...48..77..96..105.134.153..162...182

WBT
30...39..58..88..118.127.157.187..196...226



...and what would be a dutch 200 becomes potentially 245. Way too many free pins. thumbsdown
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#193650 - 02/24/16 04:19 PM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: greggas]
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I think that any bonus system is likely going to favor one skill more than the other. I do feel that there could be too much benefit in traditional way of scoring for stringing strikes. Although unlikely, this could happen. If someone shoots a dutch 200 going X9/ the whole game and someone else gets the front 5 and then goes 9/ for the next 5 frames with a 9 on the fill ball, they get a 234. That bowler could miss 3 of the 5 single pin spares and still win by a pin because they strung their strikes, even though they both had the same # of strikes and the other person had much better spare shooting. I do think that it would be hard to swallow the kind of jump in averages and scores that would occur.

I'm willing to bet that if the scoring was always done the way that the WBT did, we would likely be having the same discussion with the current scoring system as a possible alternate. They both involve math that (for some reason) is apparently too confusing these days.

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