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#193612 - 02/21/16 03:41 PM WBT scoring system
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Why can't they just play the game the way it is meant to be?

http://news.pba.com/post/2016/2/18/Tune-...ampionship.aspx

After watching the the Barbasol PBA Players Championship this came on. I promptly turned the channel after a few frames.
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#193614 - 02/21/16 05:24 PM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: BOSStull]
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I've checked it out a seems really weird, will have to look at a score sheet and see what difference it would make over the normal scoring method.
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#193623 - 02/22/16 11:28 AM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: BOSStull]
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it takes the compound scoring out of it. Scores should be higher:

.X...9-...9/....X...X....9-....X...X.....9-.....X9/
19..28...48..77..96..105.134.153..162...182

WBT
30...39..58..88..118.127.157.187..196...226

(if you didn't click the link above - strikes are always 30, spares are 10 plus the pins you got on the first ball, so 1/ is 11, while 9/ is 19)

Interesting. I don't think I like it. . . way to simplistic.


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#193625 - 02/22/16 01:48 PM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: mmalsed]
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#193626 - 02/22/16 01:52 PM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: mmalsed]
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I had a sense of deja-vu when I saw this post. I missed the tournament after the player's championship yesterday Was the WBT searching this forum for new scoring ideas? Here is a post from me in 2009 related to the Petraglia scoring system. Check my last post from this page of the thread (4th post from bottom).

http://www.bowlingcommunity.com/b/ubbthreads.php/topics/87919/Mkirchie.html#Post87919

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#193631 - 02/22/16 07:35 PM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: BOSStull]
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They said it was to show the IoC an alternative scoring method in their ongoing effort to get into the Olympics.

My guess is that traditional scoring does not go over well with the very casual Olympic viewing audience and that if they can simplify it they can gain more traction. With an international flyer you need to explain the rules of the sport in a paragraph, that is easier to do with the scoring system they used (10 frames, each frame is worth up to 30, highest score wins).

The interview between matches talking about the scoring system also stated they tried a frame by frame match play format (like golf) that really didn't go over well with the players or traditional audience.

The bowling entities are trying, they are getting pulled in a dozen different directions, but you can see that they are trying. Hopefully for the sport one of those directions works out well.

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#193632 - 02/22/16 08:16 PM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: B-Hammer]
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Of all the alternate scoring systems, I do prefer the system that they used on the show. I think it is about as similar as you can be to the traditional system. I don't think that only 10 shots for 300 is a good idea and I would like to see the 10th frame bonus balls stay. A perfect game still needs to be 12 strikes. Simple solution, make 10th frame strikes only worth 10 pins instead of 30. I really did not like the match play ideas or the Petraglia system.

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#193633 - 02/22/16 10:46 PM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: BOSStull]
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It's ok for a limited format event, kind of like the skins game in golf, and it's not going to take over the sport any time soon. Scores will be higher, and scores from 290-299 will be impossible. A 9/ somewhere in the middle of a game with traditional scoring gives you a max score of 279, but 9/ anywhere in the wbt scoring system gives you a max score of 289. Not bad for a made for TV event, but it won't revolutionize the scoring system.
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#193638 - 02/23/16 08:26 AM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: BOSStull]
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Not that I'm a fan of changing the scoring system, but while watching the telecast, I was thinking why not make it even simpler, 30 for strikes, 20 for spares, and the total pins knocked over for open frames (or count 10 for opens for the truly math challenged)? It reminds me of years ago, when bowlers kept score with paper and pencil, when I was practicing, I used to mark the frames with only an X, /, or -. After 6-10 games, I could look back and get a pretty good idea of how well I was bowling.
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#193639 - 02/23/16 08:55 AM Re: WBT scoring system [Re: Joe Bowler]
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I'm not a fan of making all spares automatically be 20 (or changing the scoring system at all, for that matter). I don't think it's right to make a good pocket hit that left a solid 8 pin equivalent in score to the person who missed the pocket and picked up a multi-pin spare. That was my original problem with the Petraglia scoring system. I know that the 8 pin was likely easier to pick up and sometimes you can be rewarded with a strike on a lousy shot, but I feel that any modified system has to maintain a score benefit for good count on the 1st ball.

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