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#193071 - 12/17/15 05:56 PM New vids - 5 step approach
BowlerBill Offline
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In an attempt to get out of a slump I threw a few games of practice today. This is at an easy house, not where my league is at. This is the only place I can set up a camera. Not the best videos but it's all I can come up with.

6 months ago I changed to a 5 step approach in an attempt to get my arm swing to match up with my footwork a little better and to generate more speed and power.

I had an issue with the 4 step where I carry the ball forward well into the 2nd step. It seems I still carry the ball forward past where it should be dropping. I guess it's hard for me to use gravity to get the ball into the swing.

I'd appreciate any tips or suggestions on how to correct my flaws. I think some of you see things I don't.

I sure wish I had this ball reaction at my league's house.

Side/rear view
https://youtu.be/6Uew18LVrA4

Rear view

https://youtu.be/-l_P3qhpMpA
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#193081 - 12/19/15 06:43 PM Re: New vids - 5 step approach [Re: BowlerBill]
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I seemed to have fixed my game. I wasn't pushing the ball on the 2nd step. I was carrying to forward into the third step. I wasn't able to get another video but I believe this will fix my timing problems.
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#193096 - 12/21/15 01:45 PM Re: New vids - 5 step approach [Re: BowlerBill]
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You might also try to hold your ball more to the right in your stance.

You're holding it in the middle of your body so when you push out, it has to move to the right to get into its pendulum plane and your swing isn't very straight. If it's to the right (head, ball, right foot all in line or close) then you'll have a nice line for the ball to drop into.
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#193098 - 12/21/15 03:33 PM Re: New vids - 5 step approach [Re: mmalsed]
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Originally Posted By: mmalsed
You might also try to hold your ball more to the right in your stance.

You're holding it in the middle of your body so when you push out, it has to move to the right to get into its pendulum plane and your swing isn't very straight. If it's to the right (head, ball, right foot all in line or close) then you'll have a nice line for the ball to drop into.




I try to place the ball at the side of my body in my setup but maybe it's not far enough to the right. I'll give that a shot. I agree with the need to keep the head, ball and right foot in line.

I used to have a good crossover step with I used a 4 step approach but haven't been able to get it back now that I am using a 5 step approach. When I had better footwork, I was able to get my hips out of the way of the swing. The ball, head and right foot alignment were probably better.

Now, I have to bring the ball into a small figure 8 to clear the hips. The ball ends up behind my back a little. Something I don't want to do.

Most of my timing problems are tied to a late push away. I'll see how things go tonight. I hope to do better.

thanks for watching the vids and for your advice.
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#193139 - 12/27/15 06:36 PM Re: New vids - 5 step approach [Re: BowlerBill]
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Originally Posted By: BowlerBill
Originally Posted By: mmalsed
You might also try to hold your ball more to the right in your stance.
You're holding it in the middle of your body so when you push out, it has to move to the right to get into its pendulum plane and your swing isn't very straight. If it's to the right (head, ball, right foot all in line or close) then you'll have a nice line for the ball to drop into.

I try to place the ball at the side of my body in my setup but maybe it's not far enough to the right. I'll give that a shot. I agree with the need to keep the head, ball and right foot in line.
I used to have a good crossover step with I used a 4 step approach but haven't been able to get it back now that I am using a 5 step approach. When I had better footwork, I was able to get my hips out of the way of the swing. The ball, head and right foot alignment were probably better.
Now, I have to bring the ball into a small figure 8 to clear the hips. The ball ends up behind my back a little. Something I don't want to do.
Most of my timing problems are tied to a late push away. I'll see how things go tonight. I hope to do better.
thanks for watching the vids and for your advice.


You need some side tilt in your setup. Try this : Hold the ball by your side touching your leg. Now, tilt your shoulders to the right until the ball is no longer touching your leg. That is your shoulder tilt, you now have room for the ball to swing back and forth without the need for quite as much of a figure 8. Nobody has a perfectly straight armswing not even the top pros, but the lateral movement is minimized.
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#193143 - 12/29/15 11:59 AM Re: New vids - 5 step approach [Re: BowlerBill]
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Originally Posted By: BowlerBill

6 months ago I changed to a 5 step approach in an attempt to get my arm swing to match up with my footwork a little better and to generate more speed and power.

I had an issue with the 4 step where I carry the ball forward well into the 2nd step. It seems I still carry the ball forward past where it should be dropping. I guess it's hard for me to use gravity to get the ball into the swing.


Side/rear view
https://youtu.be/6Uew18LVrA4

Rear view

https://youtu.be/-l_P3qhpMpA
Thanks.

1st of all I like the starting point of the ball in the set up.You want to hide the ball from anyone standing behind you. This create an inside out swing which is a good thing.
Your timing is not all that bad. In the 3rd pic you see the ball in beside your leg at the end of the 3rd step. Could be more behind the leg yes, but I seen worse.
Did will notice your hand position in the 3rd pic? Not good. Keeping under the ball here will help you to stay under the ball at the release point ( in the last pic).

http://s943.photobucket.com/user/spr3wr/media/Untitled_zpsoahyfch6.png.html

So here is your lesson plan. Work on the tip at a time!
1) Don't change the ball starting point in the setup.
2) If you want the ball more behind your leg than what it is now, then drop the ball into the swing at the end of your 1st step.Yes don't wait until step 2 to start the drop it's to late or slow down steps 1 and 2. But your timing is OK now, I would work on the 3rd tip first then worry about everything else.
3) As the ball is being dropped into the swing keep your palm facing up towards the ceiling (now its facing the left wall) and as the ball is at the top of the swing have the back of your hand facing the ceiling .

Here is a good video to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S8n9CGjBwY
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#193153 - 12/31/15 07:59 PM Re: New vids - 5 step approach [Re: spr3wr]
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Originally Posted By: spr3wr
Originally Posted By: BowlerBill

6 months ago I changed to a 5 step approach in an attempt to get my arm swing to match up with my footwork a little better and to generate more speed and power.

I had an issue with the 4 step where I carry the ball forward well into the 2nd step. It seems I still carry the ball forward past where it should be dropping. I guess it's hard for me to use gravity to get the ball into the swing.


Side/rear view
https://youtu.be/6Uew18LVrA4

Rear view

https://youtu.be/-l_P3qhpMpA
Thanks.

1st of all I like the starting point of the ball in the set up.You want to hide the ball from anyone standing behind you. This create an inside out swing which is a good thing.
Your timing is not all that bad. In the 3rd pic you see the ball in beside your leg at the end of the 3rd step. Could be more behind the leg yes, but I seen worse.
Did will notice your hand position in the 3rd pic? Not good. Keeping under the ball here will help you to stay under the ball at the release point ( in the last pic).

http://s943.photobucket.com/user/spr3wr/media/Untitled_zpsoahyfch6.png.html

So here is your lesson plan. Work on the tip at a time!
1) Don't change the ball starting point in the setup.
2) If you want the ball more behind your leg than what it is now, then drop the ball into the swing at the end of your 1st step.Yes don't wait until step 2 to start the drop it's to late or slow down steps 1 and 2. But your timing is OK now, I would work on the 3rd tip first then worry about everything else.
3) As the ball is being dropped into the swing keep your palm facing up towards the ceiling (now its facing the left wall) and as the ball is at the top of the swing have the back of your hand facing the ceiling .

Here is a good video to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S8n9CGjBwY


Spr3wr,

I appreciate you taking the time to give me some tips on my approach. You are correct that I turn the ball early. I thought that I had corrected the flaw where the hand is at the side of the ball during the back swing. I guess old habits are hard to break.

That video is a good one. I'll give that 'eyes in the back of the head' drill a try.

I'll also try moving the ball on step 1 of my 5 step approach.

Happy New Year and thank you for taking the time to help me out.
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#193155 - 01/01/16 10:00 AM Re: New vids - 5 step approach [Re: BowlerBill]
spr3wr Offline
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Originally Posted By: BowlerBill
Originally Posted By: spr3wr
Originally Posted By: BowlerBill

6 months ago I changed to a 5 step approach in an attempt to get my arm swing to match up with my footwork a little better and to generate more speed and power.

I had an issue with the 4 step where I carry the ball forward well into the 2nd step. It seems I still carry the ball forward past where it should be dropping. I guess it's hard for me to use gravity to get the ball into the swing.


Side/rear view
https://youtu.be/6Uew18LVrA4

Rear view

https://youtu.be/-l_P3qhpMpA
Thanks.

1st of all I like the starting point of the ball in the set up.You want to hide the ball from anyone standing behind you. This create an inside out swing which is a good thing.
Your timing is not all that bad. In the 3rd pic you see the ball in beside your leg at the end of the 3rd step. Could be more behind the leg yes, but I seen worse.
Did will notice your hand position in the 3rd pic? Not good. Keeping under the ball here will help you to stay under the ball at the release point ( in the last pic).

http://s943.photobucket.com/user/spr3wr/media/Untitled_zpsoahyfch6.png.html

So here is your lesson plan. Work on the tip at a time!
1) Don't change the ball starting point in the setup.
2) If you want the ball more behind your leg than what it is now, then drop the ball into the swing at the end of your 1st step.Yes don't wait until step 2 to start the drop it's to late or slow down steps 1 and 2. But your timing is OK now, I would work on the 3rd tip first then worry about everything else.
3) As the ball is being dropped into the swing keep your palm facing up towards the ceiling (now its facing the left wall) and as the ball is at the top of the swing have the back of your hand facing the ceiling .

Here is a good video to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S8n9CGjBwY


Spr3wr,

I appreciate you taking the time to give me some tips on my approach. You are correct that I turn the ball early. I thought that I had corrected the flaw where the hand is at the side of the ball during the back swing. I guess old habits are hard to break.

That video is a good one. I'll give that 'eyes in the back of the head' drill a try.

I'll also try moving the ball on step 1 of my 5 step approach.

Happy New Year and thank you for taking the time to help me out.


Make sure you keep your steps the same speed as they are now. You will feel like you need to speed up the feet to catch up with the ball (when moving the ball earlier in the pushaway)but if you do then you will have the same timing as you do now.
Good luck
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