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#170720 - 09/05/12 09:05 PM Re: Global gone from the Tour [Re: VampyreBowler]
metguy Offline

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That is a good point 10pingaloot. After all, my softball league isn't run by MLB, college football isn't run by the NFL, so why should league bowling be run by the PBA thru the USBC? Let them sink or swim on their own dollar...
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#170725 - 09/06/12 12:42 AM Re: Global gone from the Tour [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Originally Posted By: Dennis Michael
Originally Posted By: sk8shorty01
Other sports do mandate payments and contracts with companies for their equipment to be used as well, its not just bowling.
The NFL just signed a huge contract, which including a payment to the NFL, with NIKE to be the official apparel company for the teams uniforms and sideline gear. The company prior to them was REEBOK and they were outbid this time around.

This is totally different. You are talking about uniforms. I'm talking about equipment.
Let's ezuate this to Golf, where there are many golf club companies, sponsoring players and providing equipment. Yet, none of them have to pay juice to the PGA. And, golfers are not allowed to have labels, insignias, etc on their shirts. They may wear a golf cap or a tagged shirt, but not the names of their clubs, balls, grips, shoes or any other form of advertising.
My nephew is a Pro Golfer, sopnsored by Callaway. He does wear Callaway labeled shirts and visors, and of course, uses his free set of callaway clubs. but, Callaway doesn't have to pay the PGA for his use of equipment.
If a bowling company wants to sponsor a bowler, they should have that right without any payment to the PBA.

So what about the licensed footballs the NFL uses, NIKE...

What about the cleats, all of them... NIKE

How about the gloves, yup, NIKE... Those are all pieces of equipment that the players have to wear because NIKE paid the NFL.

The difference is the PBA allows all the companies that want in to join as long as they pay their fee, the NFL takes the highest bidder and none of the other companies are allowed to participate.
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#170726 - 09/06/12 01:28 AM Re: Global gone from the Tour [Re: VampyreBowler]
Dennis Michael Offline
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And, what about different golf balls, and clubs, selected by the golfer? Or the Baseball Glove that each ball player has to wear, but each is the choice of the player. A player's choice is resected in certain equipment, without juice payment.

I can understand uniforms and a standardized ball for Football and Basketball.

What if all bowlers HAD to use the same ball, and the playing field was the same for all? Oh, you'll probably say the field dimensions are the same, but the surface could be different, as grass and astro turf.

Point being, when a player has a particular need to use specific equipment, he should be allowed to.
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#170729 - 09/06/12 03:15 AM Re: Global gone from the Tour [Re: VampyreBowler]
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The missing piece of the puzzle is the television contract.

The PGA doesn't need to get income from the manufacturers because it has a TV contract as the back bone of it's financial success. It can then let the players use whatever USGA certified equipment they want, free of charge.

Without the television contract the PBA needs to operate like an infomercial where it will buy a TV spot but then charge the manufacturers of the equipment for the right to display their products on the broadcast. Each manufacturer has their set cost, and then a variable cost on who they want to gamble on making a show. But since it is an infomercial format, the PBA really should make more of an attempt to showcase the product, or like every other major sport, get ESPN out of ownership and go get bids for a TV contract.

The PBA can not survive on extra frame, and can only make so much money off the manufacturers, it needs to get a TV contract and needs to get some gate money, then trickle down that money throughout the industry.

#170738 - 09/06/12 06:55 AM Re: Global gone from the Tour [Re: VampyreBowler]
Dennis Michael Offline
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Check this:

NBA Teams to sell ad space on Jerseys, is unpopular with fans.

But, the Team sells it. I equate the Bowler as an individual Team. So, the Bowler sould receive the revenue from this ad selling, not the league.

This is the way the older Teams did it under the ABC management, with Budweiser Beer and Terryton Cigarette Sponsors.

Edited by Dennis Michael (09/06/12 06:57 AM)
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#170746 - 09/06/12 09:52 AM Re: Global gone from the Tour [Re: VampyreBowler]
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A bowler can grab any jersey he likes out of his closet to wear on the telecast that day, as long as it meets the PBA's licensing requirements. A football player is required to wear the exact same uniform as his teammates every week. He doesn't have the choice of wearing his Reebok or Nike jersey. There is leeway on shoes, of course, but that's the only visible part of his uniform that is not required to be identical to the rest of the team.
I know the PBA's marketing department is constantly looking for sponsors, so there's no point asking "why not So and so?" what I find unacceptable is that there is no beer sponsor, no automobile sponsor, and no real tech sponsor. Look at what we have (and have had recently)- Barbasol, Geico, Lumber Liquidators, and "as seen on TV" infomercial type products. Bowlers load up their Ford Explorers, hit the McDonalds drive thru (or Burger King, Wendy's, Arby's, or Taco Bell), and drink Miller Lite or Bud Light while bowling. None of them sponsor bowling. If every center was required to donate $.05 for each beer they sold to the PBA, sponsorship would probably be a non-issue. I doubt most bowlers would really notice the difference when they were settling up their bar tab at the end of the night.
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#170803 - 09/07/12 09:18 PM Re: Global gone from the Tour [Re: Fin09]
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Sell the PBA to Cindy Margolis, even she can run the PBA better than THESE clowns-so-called "owners" have been since they bought it back in 2000.

ESPN does absolutely nothing to promote the Tour, and it proves in the dismal Nielsen ratings, the bombing of the TOC on what was supposed to have been the triumphant return of the PBA being back on ABC for the first time since 1997 (no spots/commercials/TOC promos on ABC programming and no billboard space bought from Clear Channel, Lamar, or CBS, as they (the PBA clowns/owners) wanted us to do their work for them via the web/Facebook/myspace/Twitter/word of mouth/flyering, etc), and the time slot it has on Sundays considering the competition the other networks, especially ABC/CBS/FOX/NBC have going up against it, Cindy Margolis would be a better owner of the PBA and she would do her absolute best (she has a Bachelor's degree in Business from Cal State Northridge) to make sure the sponsors are there (and more of them) in the demographics the PBA wants to target (18-49-year-olds, the MTV generation and generations x/y/z).

These would include Pepsi, how about infusing new companies into the mix, like Ice-Watch (, whom could sponsor the "Ice-Watch Change of The Day/Match" (Ice-Watch's slogan is "Change. You Can.") involving tactical changes like a ball or line change that wins the title for that player, or even how about getting Bridgestone/Firestone back in the mix for the first time since 1993, and even have PBA Golden Girl herself Kelly Kulick in their commercials like she was earlier this year. We already have Bayer aspirin, and with more non-Bayer/Brunswick-related brands/companies and sponsors (excluding the 1-800 TV offers) the PBA would become from a joke to a powerhouse much like Vince McMahon took a fledgling regional promotion like World Wrestling Entertainment (WWF/WWE) and turned it into the multi-billion dollar global empire that it is now. If Vince McMahon can do it, so can Cindy Margolis, provided she buys the PBA first.

BTW, Ice-Watch is the hottest timepiece in Europe and here is one of their spots that floods the air/cable waves throughout Europe (if only I could see Osku, Belmo, Mika, Dom Barrett or Stuart Williams wearing one on TV now):

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#189755 - 01/02/15 12:33 PM Re: Global gone from the Tour [Re: VampyreBowler]
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#189813 - 01/06/15 11:58 PM Re: Global gone from the Tour [Re: VampyreBowler]
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Chris Barnes sat down last night with Mike Flanagan of Inside Bowling for a 40 minute interview. Good informative stuff there, some of you Storm fans may be interested in knowing that Barnes is throwing some Storm/Roto stuff right now as well due to the two companies' partnership. Also Del Ballard Jr. will act as ball rep for 900 Global on tour in addition to being tour rep for Storm and Roto.

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#189834 - 01/07/15 10:54 PM Re: Global gone from the Tour [Re: VampyreBowler]
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900 Global's re-registration also brought Robert "Maximum Bob" Smith out of retirement.
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