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#186791 - 04/13/14 08:41 PM Approach Advice
sk8shorty01 Offline
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Hello all,

I have been working quite a bit lately to iron out a few wrinkles in my game so thought I would look for some advice on here as well.

What do you all feel needs to be addressed?

NOTE: Sorry side view cuts off my set up, there was league running and I couldn't put the camera far enough away.




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#186802 - 04/14/14 08:18 AM Re: Approach Advice [Re: sk8shorty01]
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Sk8, your mechanics are obviously sound. What I see missing is the intangible aggressiveness, the "give it all you got" displayed by top athletes and bowlers. Watch Martin Larsen, who has a similar style as yours, in the following video and look for the confidence and aggressiveness in his release and follow through. That's the little extra that trips 4's, topples 10's, sends messengers across the pin deck, and wins tournaments.



Obviously, you still want to be able to repeat shots. One way to break through is to set aside regular practice sessions where you throw every ball your maximum speed and rotation while still trying to maintain your form, balance, control, and accuracy. Soon, that confidence and aggressiveness will be a regular part of your delivery. Note that the winning-est, if not the best bowler of all time, Walter Ray Williams, Jr., has often said that he puts everything into every shot.
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#186804 - 04/14/14 09:02 AM Re: Approach Advice [Re: sk8shorty01]
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Joe, do you feel that I am not accelerating through the release strong enough?

I definitely accelerate but I try to do it without allowing my trail leg to lift off the ground because I want to be as steady as possible at the foul line.

Just curious what you thought?
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#186806 - 04/14/14 09:28 AM Re: Approach Advice [Re: sk8shorty01]
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On the plus side, it looks like you could repeat the same shot all day long. On the minus side, it looks like only about 80% of your potential speed and power.
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#186813 - 04/14/14 04:22 PM Re: Approach Advice [Re: sk8shorty01]
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Joe, good eye on the comparison. I would slow down the 1st step or start the pushaway on the 1st step also I couldn't put my finger on it until I slowed the video down. It looks like you can't accelerate enough because your balance arm is stopping you.

Matin's balance arm starts to go back as soon as the down swing starts.
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#186868 - 04/16/14 07:16 AM Re: Approach Advice [Re: sk8shorty01]
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Counting the approximate number of seconds from foul line to headpin, I noticed the following:

Sk8 - 4 seconds = 10.227 MPH
Martin Larsen - 3 seconds = 13.636 MPH

The MPH numbers seem lower than expected for both, but the important thing to note is the difference between the two. 4 seconds seems more typical for league bowlers. 3 seconds (or less) seems more appropriate for aspiring pros.

I just wanted to offer my observation. I will leave it up to you and the coaches to determine whether that's important, and if so, what to work on to speed up your approach and delivery. If you were a teammate, I would say give it some "Oomph!" To make it a regular part of your release, maybe faster overall foot speed? Higher backswing? Open and close shoulders for more torque? Quicker acceleration through the ball? Just some ideas to consider...
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#186876 - 04/16/14 11:14 AM Re: Approach Advice [Re: sk8shorty01]
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I get 3 seconds for myself, maybe slightly less.

At release the time stamp is already into the :04 second mark (in between :04 and :05) and the ball hits the pins pretty much dead on the point where the clock ticks over to :07 seconds.

Going off roughly 2.75 seconds that puts me right at 15 mph which seems about right.
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#186879 - 04/16/14 11:45 AM Re: Approach Advice [Re: sk8shorty01]
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When I time Sk8's ball on a stop watch, I'm getting an average of 2.70 seconds compared to Martin Larsen, who I get 2.15 seconds. I agree that the ball speed seems on the slow side for a player of Sk8's caliber. Most top level amateurs are well under 2.50 seconds, and most touring pros are under 2.20.
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#186882 - 04/16/14 12:07 PM Re: Approach Advice [Re: sk8shorty01]
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Sorry guys, I was counting in my head. I guess my internal clock speed is running fast, hehe. Fortunately, I just found a free stopwatch app on CNET that is more accurate. Geez, a second takes that long! sleep

I agree with Champ's numbers and assessment. Fractions of seconds aside, the goal is simply to be more competitive at the professional level. Ball speed is not everything, but it helps increase carry percentage, and reduce the frequency and magnitude of required transitions.
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#186883 - 04/16/14 12:24 PM Re: Approach Advice [Re: Joe Bowler]
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Ball speed is tricky. We have a young righty in our scratch league, his ball speed registers an average of about 20mph at the monitors (mine varies between 15-17 depending on what I'm doing). I can roll it that fast but not with any hand to speak of, this guy is matched- rolling that fast he still covers as many or more boards than I do. It's an intimidating strike ball. He also recently set our association record at 890... I think he left a ringing ten on his first ball of the series, spared it and went off the sheet for the other two games.

Viewing your videos Sk8, I feel like you generally play left of where I usually find myself. Obviously different lanes, who knows where we would end up on the same condition, but I wouldn't be surprised if your being more rev-speed matched and having less tilt and rotation had something to do with it... I don't think we're too far off on rev rate. There is definitely room for your backswing to get higher and pick up more ball speed without a lot of extra muscle, I'm just not sure if that would be a good thing or not (I'm not saying it would or wouldn't, I really don't know).
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