A/S/L: 45/M/Long Island
Hey Nord, to me the difference between the pros and the Joes, is not that the Pros have more revs. They certainly have more revs on average. The real difference is that they are more accurate and can repeat shots better. They adjust to transition better. They can play multiple parts of the lane whereas the Joes will want to play the one part of the lane they are best at and not move.
The real trick is combining the rev rate with all the rest of the package, then your playing at a pro level.
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First off I believe I have finally found the right drilling, especially the thumb.
I did not feel a single tinge of pain in the thumb tonight in league.
I am now using ½ forward in the fingers with 3/8 right for the ring finger and ¼ left in the middle finger.
Thumb is using 1/8 reverse with zero lateral.
I am wrapping my thumb entirely with tape to keep the thumb a constant size and prevent swelling.
I have one piece of extra texture master tape in the front of the thumbhole to aid in holding on with a relaxed grip.
The release is now so smooth and easy and I have the best feel I have ever had.
This is a conventional grip.
I am also using a Columbia 300 wrist brace glove.
So tonight was sweeps night.
The last night of league. A fun night and a night to experiment.
I had decided this night to try and throw my Storm Natural Pearl Urethane ball somewhere between 3 and 9 board and find some line to the pocket that way with a down and in shot, or a slightly out to in.
I had received advice from this forum and from Roto Grip that I need to play a more down and in shot for my style and I decided to try this.
The goal was to use the friction and outside area to create greater entry angle to the pocket.
So I started with right foot on 5 and rolling straight up 5. Brooklyn.
Ok, so I moved my feet two left and same 5 target. High.
Move left one more board with right foot, target still 5. Pocket.
Ok, so I worked with this for the first game.
All pocket hits but two produced a strike, the rest were ten pins or splits.
I adjusted by pushing the ball over 5 out to three and back to create even more angle.
No change, pocket hits are all ten pins or splits. Finished game with 158.
Moved target to 7 out to 5 and back with right foot on 8.
Pocket produces ten pins, pocket splits and high hits.
Moved target left to 9 out to 5, right foot on ten. Worse.
A pocket hit actually produced a 4-7-10 split with the 4 pin pushed left until it was lined up with the 7 like a double wood shot.
I struggle trying to get the ball to do something when it hits the pocket.
I had no strikes in this game and finish with a 136.
I start the third game confused and have an open in the first, spare in the second and open in the third frame.
In total confusion I ask a veteran bowler who I am friends with and I am playing against this night what the heck I should do.
He tells me that when I roll the ball in the outside area it hooks so much so early and comes back with such an angle that the ball actually stops curving towards the pocket and rolls straight to it for the last 15 feet or so.
He says I need to get my ball to hook “through the pocket” not hook and then roll straight at the pocket.
He tells me I need to make a move to the inside and play inside out so my ball will hook later and still be curving when it hits the pocket so it will drive through.
I have some doubt about this since I have a Pearl Urethane ball.
How can I play inside out with such a weak ball?
So I decide to try out my old line that I used with my Nano, right foot on 15, target 13 board out to 9 and back.
How can I get this to work with a Pearl Urethane?
First throw I get a nice side roll on the ball and it floats out to 9 and then makes a smooth subtle move to the pocket where it hits light, mixes them up and carries a great strike.
I make a one board move right with my foot and keep the same line.
Now it is just right.
I keep at it and this is gold.
I close all frames, get super easy one pin spares, no splits, no lousy ten pins and I get a turkey and other strikes.
My ball speed was a consistent 11mph.
I end the game with a 198.
Why did this inside line suit me and this ball?
How could a Pearl Urethane ball at 4000 grit with a length layout turn the corner and carry like this for me?
Remember I am the low rev, slow ball speed, 90 degree axis, Full Roller.
But throwing inside out like this feels very natural for me and for some reason it is very easy for me to push the ball out with nice consistency and accuracy.
What I liked most about this line with this ball was the smooth subtle back end reaction it had.
It would push out and get traction and then hook through the pocket with nice continuation, but it would not jump like the slingshot.
I could see that this ball was rolling much, much sooner than the slingshot or my other dry lane reactives and this seemed to make the ball easier to control and stronger through the pins.
When I was playing with the outside area I now understand the ball was just rolling so soon that it died out.
By moving inside I could get this Pearl Urethane 4000 grit ball to act like a Storm Sync might in the hands of a high rev player with 18mph ball speed.
So I ask at this stage: If I wanted to move further inside (20 out to 10 and back) and use a stronger reactive ball that would give me a similar smooth urethane like roll, no jumping, what should I consider?
Since I am moving to lanes that have lots more oil than my current lanes, I worry that the Natural Pearl will be too weak to use as a strike ball.
I also know I do not like an angular skid/flip ball.
Such a ball always causes control problems for my style.
What should I do at this point?
What ball choice would help me on more oil?
Match Maker says a Tropical Breeze suits my style, but I don't want a ball that is late and angular.
At 11 mph with 90 degree side roll would simply using a stronger urethane ball be all I need?
Storm has a new urethane called the Pitch Black with 1000 grit finish.
Or would a stronger early rolling reactive work for me if I played more inside?
High Game: 259 bowled with The Hardwick Rubber Ball at Poway Bowl. High Series: 630 bowled with Black Widow Urethane. Composite Avg: 175
Arsenal Brunswick True Motion Urethane Axis Drill Hammer Purple Pearl Urethane Visionary Crow Urethane
First off I believe I have finally found the right drilling, especially the thumb. I did not feel a single tinge of pain in the thumb tonight in league. I am now using ½ forward in the fingers with 3/8 right for the ring finger and ¼ left in the middle finger. Thumb is using 1/8 reverse with zero lateral. I am wrapping my thumb entirely with tape to keep the thumb a constant size and prevent swelling. I have one piece of extra texture master tape in the front of the thumbhole to aid in holding on with a relaxed grip. The release is now so smooth and easy and I have the best feel I have ever had.
Congratulations, that's great news! You are almost set for next season. You have new, better maintained lanes to bowl. You have now sorted out your grip. You have clarified what is your comfort zone, or "A" game. Your urethane Natural Pearl is working for you on drier lanes. So, what stronger, early rolling reactive would work for you playing inside when there is more oil? To replace your VG Nano, take a look at the Sync. You won't find a ball with a stronger core and cover combination. Note that the Pitch Black is designed to hook even less than other urethane balls. You can compare it with the Super Natural on Storm's website.
Without having been there, it's hard to diagnose exactly what went wrong with your trying to play further outside. First, it was recommended as a line to play with your reactive Slingshot, to take advantage of its go long, turn hard ball reaction. Second, my guess based on your description of where you were standing and targeting was that you were getting the ball to the friction too early. You want to use the head oil to get the ball down the lane before it hits the friction. Thus, the sharp angle through the heads as demonstrated in the video. That is what I would consider inside to outside. But, first you have to trust that your ball (not just some pro's) will make it back to the pocket and carry. Oh well, maybe something to work on over the summer as your "B" game?
Just one person's opinion, but if you are planning to use the ball to play deep and tight in the oil, I would say the Sync is a better match to what you need, while the Marvel S may be a better match to what you want.
Nord, I just wanted to say that I'm thrilled to hear about your progress and finding a fit that seems to work for you including all that tape... I've seen the Marvel S out on the lanes and it appeared very snappy to me. Looking at it's specs it appears similar to the Storm Vivid which is not as snappy at all. The Marvel S tends to go down the lane further before taking it's left turn than the matte finished Vivid. The Tropical Breeze I have doesn't snap hard at the friction point on the lanes, but it does make a nice move towards the pocket for me especially when the lanes start drying out (e.g., in game 3 of league). Best luck to you. Glad you've not given up...
A/S/L: 45/M/Long Island
I would think that the Byte would be snappier than the Marvel S. The Marvel is a lower RG ball and should have a smoother transition than the Byte. I have a Marvel Pearl and the ball has a strong reaction in the backend, but not beyond control. I do not have a Byte so I cannot compare. According to the Storm website, the Marvel S is a stronger ball. The Byte is a pearl. It will get more length anyway. The Marvel S is a solid with a lower RG. it should be stronger with a smoother transition.
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