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#183398 - 12/19/13 01:24 PM Help me set up a PBAX arsenal
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In January I'm picking up a spot in a PBA experience league, and plan on bowling the league full season next fall. I'm also going to be bowling at Nationals this year, and am considering a few tournaments on sport patterns this summer. I'm trying to set up a small arsenal that can cover a lot of bases. With time, I can expand it, but for now I'm planning on starting with four balls.

The PBA league bowls on Viper, Carmen Salvino, Cheetah, Wolf, Chameleon, and Badger.

My current benchmark ball is a Hy-Road Pearl. This will be part of the arsenal, as will my White Dot. That leaves room for two more balls.

Lately I'm pretty intrigued by Storm and especially Roto Grip. Balls I'm really looking at include the Disturbed, the IQ Tour solid, the Hyper Cell, and the Totally Defiant.

For what its worth, I'm a stroker.

What sort of extra equipment do you recommend to fill the two slots I have, and for what patterns would you be using each piece?

Last question; on house shots I love skid/flip reactions, and have several balls laying around that fit that role...do they have any place on any PBA pattern?
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#183403 - 12/19/13 05:29 PM Re: Help me set up a PBAX arsenal [Re: champ]
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Hyper Cell and Asylum, done. If you can wait for them. You'd have an aggressive solid for heavy oil, a fairly aggressive hybrid symmetric ball for medium-heavy, and the Hyroad Pearl which... well you know what that one is for.

I've been bowling in both a THS and a sport league this winter. The weakest ball I've felt the need to roll has been roughly equivalent to your Hyroad Pearl in terms of overall hook (Roto Grip Bandit). I don't know, I think as I've become more willing to chase the oil even deep inside if that's what the lanes want, I've felt less of a need to use weak equipment (Storm Natural, Roto Grip Scream) trying to play the lanes where the shot isn't, anymore.
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#183404 - 12/19/13 09:26 PM Re: Help me set up a PBAX arsenal [Re: champ]
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I've practiced on the longer and medium length patterns and have an idea of what equipment to use, but if I went with Hyper Cell, Asylum, and Hy-Road Pearl, do you think I'd have a good option for the shorter patterns? I'm guessing Asylum so long as it has a control layout on it...any thoughts?
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#183408 - 12/20/13 08:10 AM Re: Help me set up a PBAX arsenal [Re: champ]
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Champ, in general low RG for long (Shark) and high RG for short patterns (Cheetah). For the short just about any high RG pearl with a pin-down drill (impede ball transition) should work. On the long maybe an aggressive drill on a low RG hybrid or solid. Between the long pattern ball and your existing THS equipment you would have all the in-betweens covered. You could use your short pattern and/or plastic ball for spares.
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#183410 - 12/20/13 09:03 AM Re: Help me set up a PBAX arsenal [Re: champ]
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Champ, I go with symmetrical cores on short patterns, as there is too much dry on the back end, and I need a ball that makes a smooth transition and doesn't over react with a snap. It is much easier to control the ball reaction this way.
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#183414 - 12/20/13 10:49 AM Re: Help me set up a PBAX arsenal [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Originally Posted By: Dennis Michael
Champ, I go with symmetrical cores on short patterns, as there is too much dry on the back end, and I need a ball that makes a smooth transition and doesn't over react with a snap. It is much easier to control the ball reaction this way.


I agree, I also use symmetrical cores and I will even throw it out there that I like to use more aggressive covers on shorter patterns as well. The aggressive equipment (symmetrical) really blends the pattern out well and makes it much easier to control the down lane movement on the short patterns. I use my Marvel-S and Reign of Power a lot on short so I would think the Asylum would fit that roll nicely.
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#183422 - 12/20/13 04:44 PM Re: Help me set up a PBAX arsenal [Re: champ]
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Thanks for all the responses so far, its helping me form some ideas. One thing that's scary about starting into sport bowling is that when you don't have much experience, you can talk yourself into thinking you need a specific ball with a specific trick layout for each given pattern.

I guess I just need to cover some bases, and go out there and try it. I have a ball spinner on the way, so I'm thinking that will be a valuable asset.
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#183427 - 12/21/13 10:33 AM Re: Help me set up a PBAX arsenal [Re: champ]
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One other thing to consider is that not all short patterns play as short as you would think, as a heavier volume will make a short pattern look a few feet longer. You'll find a lot of overlap in what you can use on the different PBA patterns.

And skid/flip? I'm not saying there's no place for them on PBA patterns, but if you can control a skid flip layout on a ball designed for that purpose, and score with it, you're a better bowler than I am, that's for sure.
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#183428 - 12/21/13 10:47 AM Re: Help me set up a PBAX arsenal [Re: Fin09]
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What is needed for sport is a variety of shapes and overall strength, and more importantly, an OPEN MIND. If you'd asked me what I'd use for Scorpion I'd have been sure to say "Defiant Soul" but oddly at this center I found it was way too much/too early. Experimented with some other stuff, found my best look was with my IQ Tour Pearl (which has a relatively weak 5 1/4" pin-to-pap). Ball gave me length, recovery, hold, and reasonably good carry... had the first 8 and a 260's game on Wednesday.

These days I think less and less about RG. For me it's all about how the ball transitions through the hook phase. My most explosive-reacting ball is probably still my Track 503C, and it may give me the best pin carry percentage on pocket hits of anything I own. The most predictable (almost boring to throw) is my Mass Eruption, it was a beast on Cheetah, pretty good on Viper, but doesn't get much use on anything longer. Meanwhile the Track ball rarely leaves the house except for the occasional game at my THS scratch league, when the lanes are super-tight downlane and I need all the help I can get. I will probably bring it out for Shark though, and give it a whirl if and when the Defiant Soul seems like too much cover.
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#183431 - 12/21/13 04:39 PM Re: Help me set up a PBAX arsenal [Re: champ]
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Covering the bases is the key to having an effective arsenal. A benchmark ball is a good place to start.

The one ball I've had the greatest success on the widest variety of PBAX patterns is the IQ Tour Edition (solid). It provides a great combination of strength and control. It is the opposite of skid/flip. It reads the midlane, provides a forgiving arc shape, and has great continuation through the pocket. The cover is easily tuned with sandpaper, but I like to keep mine polished to match my stroker speed/revs.

If I did not already have the IQ Tour solid, I would probably pick up the IQ Tour hybrid instead. It should make an even better benchmark ball. I would also look at the HyperCell, and maybe keep it dull for when more friction is required. With those three balls, HyperCell solid, IQ Tour hybrid, HyRoad Pearl, you should have enough equipment to handle most PBAX patterns.

Have fun, make good shots, and enjoy the challenge.
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