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#180156 - 08/13/13 06:18 AM Re: 2013 summer league thread [Re: Richie V.]
Joe Bowler Offline
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Registered: 04/09/09
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Simple math suggests rolling the ball straight up 3 board requires 14 boards hook to reach the pocket at 17 board. That's a pretty tight shot. A more typical house shot would require swinging the ball from 15 at the foul line to 10 at the arrows which would be about 22 boards hook out and back to the pocket.

I never would have thought I would only get 9 boards hook from my most aggressive equipment on the 32-foot Wolf pattern. The urethane ball and lev/diff drilled rubber ball I packed never saw the light of day. In practice, I was expecting to see my ball hook sharply off the end of this pattern, but instead it skid like it had been soaking in a bucket of WD-40. My first few shots with an Ascent Pearl at 4000 grit polished skid straight up 3 and never hooked back to the pocket.

It took 3-1/2 games to get over my disbelief. I finally got lined up standing 35, rolling the ball over 20, a line I might play on a longer, heavier pattern, and managed a couple strikes for my best game of the night, 180. Argh!

The general manager, also a lefty, was bowling a few lanes over. He was struggling to hook the ball, too. When I asked him what was going on, he mumbled something about the pattern being heavy up front. I am not buying it. I don't think the lanes were stripped, or there would have been SOME ball reaction. C'mon, 28 feet of dry lane and only 9 boards hook with a Raptor P7 sanded 1000 dull? Really?
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#180157 - 08/13/13 07:00 AM Re: 2013 summer league thread [Re: Joe Bowler]
rrb6699 (RayRay) Offline
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I had the same problem in my sport shot league. OOB was somewhere from 7bd out. if you hit straight down 7 it would come back but 6bd would skid into the 6 pin or worse! Every Sport shot pattern i bowled on had this OOB. When I asked the lane guy they did say the older machine (Kegel I Might Add) could not buff the outside of the lane. so in my mind the first thing i think is "Why not fix it?".

On your calc standing 20 throwing 15->10 i dont see how you get 22bds. i only get 12 (15->10 = 5)+ (10-17=7) = 12 total even if i add 5 standing on 20 it would only be 17. how do you calculate it so I know how to do it?

Also, Wolf pattern - is that supposed to be a flat pattern? I will look it up but to me Wolf (never bowled on it) should be like a head shot x 2+2 am i correct? as long as the lanes are stripped of course.

rr
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#180158 - 08/13/13 07:26 AM Re: 2013 summer league thread [Re: rrb6699 (RayRay)]
Joe Bowler Offline
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Originally Posted By: rrb6699 (RayRay)
I had the same problem in my sport shot league. OOB was somewhere from 7bd out. if you hit straight down 7 it would come back but 6bd would skid into the 6 pin or worse! Every Sport shot pattern i bowled on had this OOB. When I asked the lane guy they did say the older machine (Kegel I Might Add) could not buff the outside of the lane. so in my mind the first thing i think is "Why not fix it?".

On your calc standing 20 throwing 15->10 i dont see how you get 22bds. i only get 12 (15->10 = 5)+ (10-17=7) = 12 total even if i add 5 standing on 20 it would only be 17. how do you calculate it so I know how to do it?

Also, Wolf pattern - is that supposed to be a flat pattern? I will look it up but to me Wolf (never bowled on it) should be like a head shot x 2+2 am i correct? as long as the lanes are stripped of course.

rr

The formula for calculating total hook (from Bill Taylor's book Target Lines) is ((Foul Line Board - Arrows Board) * 4) + (17 - Foul Line Board). From the Foul Line Board to the Arrows Board is only 15 feet (approximately). You have to account for the lane being 60 feet long, so you have to multiply by 4.

The Wolf pattern is one of the new PBA patterns. Flat or not, it is only 32-feet long, so I would expect it to play like it has 28-feet of backend. Something has been off with this bowling center since the second week of PBAX league. It has never been clearer to me (if not the manager) there is something wrong with the part of the machine that strips the backends.
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#180177 - 08/13/13 10:07 PM Re: 2013 summer league thread [Re: Joe Bowler]
rrb6699 (RayRay) Offline
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It seems to be the case in both houses we speak of unless there is something i'm missing on how the Animal patterns are applied.

rr
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#180180 - 08/14/13 12:05 AM Re: 2013 summer league thread [Re: Richie V.]
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Whew. Way better of a night than I had in a long time. Take a look at this. Could have done a better job with my spares but overall, I needed this confidence boost; looks like the practice session from last Saturday served me well and got me back on track. I literally have not shot above 400 since March so this is quite the confidence booster for sure. Since it's the last score-keeping week of the summer, it looks like next week is just a fun week and I'm looking forward to the start of my youth league in October. I'm going to have to continue to practice so that I go in prepared.
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#180186 - 08/14/13 11:55 AM Re: 2013 summer league thread [Re: Richie V.]
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I imagine there's probably a lot of memory (remnants of the house shot) on the lanes where they put the PBA pattern. You're right about them not getting stripped very well. The opposite is usually true in a lot of centers after putting a sport shot down- the outsides stay wet for a few days until they can get what's of the pattern off the lanes.
That's a big part of why the PBA machine puts down a pattern that plays nothing like a lot of the patterns you see in your PBAX leagues.
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#180188 - 08/14/13 12:16 PM Re: 2013 summer league thread [Re: Fin09]
Joe Bowler Offline
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Originally Posted By: Fin09
I imagine there's probably a lot of memory (remnants of the house shot) on the lanes where they put the PBA pattern. You're right about them not getting stripped very well. The opposite is usually true in a lot of centers after putting a sport shot down- the outsides stay wet for a few days until they can get what's of the pattern off the lanes.
That's a big part of why the PBA machine puts down a pattern that plays nothing like a lot of the patterns you see in your PBAX leagues.

Yes. It's what has me a little crazy right now thinking about taking a hacksaw blade to a ball to generate more friction. I plan to talk to the general manager once more, and show him some detailed printouts from Blueprint on the comparable 33-foot, 24.8 mL, WTBA Sydney pattern. Depending on his reaction, I may have second thoughts about returning in the fall. The reason for choosing this particular bowling center was the belief they were more proficient than other local houses in applying the PBA patterns. I don't mind a tough shot, but it's not a PBA Experience league if they don't play like the PBA patterns.
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300s: 9
800s: 7
House: 239
Sport: 210

PBA (2014-2015): $850

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Medium: IQ Tour, Tour SiC, Tag
Light: Spare+, Tank, Rebel Tank
Spares: WD

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#180195 - 08/14/13 10:42 PM Re: 2013 summer league thread [Re: Richie V.]
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Tonight's bowling, frame-by-frame (Linked to BowlSK sheet)

I seem to have trouble in the first game, and tonight was no exception with my 121, but sometimes the nights you save something in are better than the nights you actually do well all night, and I had nice games in the other two to save an over-average night. My last game was one my brother calls a "real" clean game (meaning I left nothing on the deck in any frame, even filling the 10th).

Result: 121-203-238=562
Final average (39 games): 180
Average for last 9 games: 186

My team paid for my bad first game, as we needed 6 points out of the match to guarantee getting out of last place, and my team split 4-4. The 4-4 split would have been enough if the match ahead of us was a sweep by one of the teams, but that didn't happen, either. The league championship was won by a team that had three former teammates of mine. laugh

I checked my overall stats, and my rate of making single pin spares was somewhere around 70% this summer, which is an improvement over last winter. I'm feeling better about where my game is overall, so I'm hopeful for the coming fall/winter season.
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#180234 - 08/15/13 10:35 PM Re: 2013 summer league thread [Re: Richie V.]
wronghander Offline
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231+215+204=650 for me tonight. Actually started out with an open (left a pocket 7-9) but came back with a 6-pack right after that. Started with 9/ and then a 4-bagger in the second game but then left a 10 pin and missed the spare. I was lined up correctly, just threw the wrong ball on the spare attempt. Two frames later had the same leave and made sure that I converted it, almost breaking the pin in the process.

The third game I struggled. I was using my Sure Thing basically the whole night and decided to switch a couple of frames into the 3rd game. I was rolling the ball great all night but it started to cut in and I made the move to the Sync instead of making a line change. Finally went back to the Sure Thing in the 9th frame, after I opened in the 8th and had 144 heading into the final two frames. I was able to finish with a 4-bagger to stay above 200.

Overall really happy overall with how I bowled tonight, but gotta learn how to make better adjustments late.
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#180265 - 08/16/13 10:34 PM Re: 2013 summer league thread [Re: Richie V.]
Fin09 Offline
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We wrapped up our summer league this week with two weeks to go. THS, we have an 18 point lead (8 points/night) with two weeks left. I've missed more spares this summer than I'm comfortable with, 7 pins especially, but I can attribute that to getting the thumb plugged and re drilled on my spare ball. It still doesn't feel quite the same as before. Those missed 7 pins have cost me probably a pin or 2 on my average. My fingers have been bothering me most of the summer, so I untucked the pinky and the pain has gone away. That costs me a little off my rev rate, but I just add a little surface to compensate for that.
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