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#175860 - 02/01/13 05:44 PM Re: Team 5: The Fifth Element [Re: Joe Bowler]
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If it was only that easy for me Joe. Before I can do more or less wrist cock I need to stop going to the outside of the ball too soon, keep my elbow in, quit powering my down swing that causes my wrist to collapse before the release zone, quit grabbing with my thumb. I can't seem to be able to do any of these things. I know but can't do.

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#175873 - 02/01/13 08:17 PM Re: Team 5: The Fifth Element [Re: General Pounder]
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Where is the ball before your pushoff?

I had a craptastic week. I had I think that I had a 18something, 21something, 19something. I can't remember. I really don't want to. I have been struggling lately with my wrist. Another doc appointment is forthcoming.
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#175884 - 02/02/13 09:16 AM Re: Team 5: The Fifth Element [Re: ijohn83]
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Originally Posted By: ijohn83
If it was only that easy for me Joe. Before I can do more or less wrist cock I need to stop going to the outside of the ball too soon, keep my elbow in, quit powering my down swing that causes my wrist to collapse before the release zone, quit grabbing with my thumb. I can't seem to be able to do any of these things. I know but can't do.

Making changes can be a challenge, but if you work on them one at a time, starting with those that occur first in your approach, sometimes the other things fall into place. You have a good head start knowing what you need to work on. This video may help. Notice the position of the tape on his forearm.
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#175920 - 02/04/13 10:52 AM Re: Team 5: The Fifth Element [Re: ijohn83]
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Hi Joe thanks for the Video - I had not seen that one before. I practiced for three hours last night and it is really hard for me to keep my thumb from not going past "12:00" at release. When ever I feel like I do it better I grab the ball and loft it. Somehow I need to keep the thumb from going past 12:00, not grab, with a strong wrist. Some reason I just don't let my thumb come out of the ball before my fingers.

My ball at push-a-way is about chest level, touching me.

~John

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#175939 - 02/04/13 06:48 PM Re: Team 5: The Fifth Element [Re: General Pounder]
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Do you have any signs of pressure, wear, callous(es), or soreness on your thumb? Also, something to check is if your thumb hole is snug enough so you can relax at the point of release and not squeeze/grab/loft the ball. Try holding your ball at your side, arm straight, wrist and hand relaxed. If it falls right off your hand, the thumb hole is probably too loose. Smooth black tape is the remedy. I usually put 1 in the front for every 2 in the back. It may take some experimenting to find the right amount of snugness where it feels like the ball is holding onto you, but still comes off clean.
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#175942 - 02/04/13 08:46 PM Re: Team 5: The Fifth Element [Re: General Pounder]
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Sorry we lost all points last week.

My fingers and thumb don't have any wear callouses or anything. I bowl about 40 games a week, which includes 24 or so games on Sunday nights. No muscles soreness, I think I could bowl al day without any fatigue; 50 is the most I bowled in a row when I needed to use expiring coupons. I tend to run a thumb that is too tight ( most of the time it is just right). I mould my own switch grip thumbs. I made my mould with a piece of white grip tape in the front and one black in the back. The white grip moulded in makes it so I do not use any in the front when I bowl. In the back my moulded in black tape makes a nice platform for between 1 or 7 black tapes. My hand will not come out of the ball until it is bowled off.
Sometimes if my early turning is real bad my thumb does not come out smooth but locks in. Most of the rolls it comes out fine even though my thumb crosses past 12:00. I am a sorry case!!!

~John

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#175948 - 02/05/13 04:14 AM Re: Team 5: The Fifth Element [Re: General Pounder]
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Without any signs of wear or fatigue, it sounds like your thumb fits great, and your pitches are good. That is a huge plus. One thing that might help with early turn is focusing on leading with the inside of your elbow and ring finger, and spreading your pinkie finger. Be aware this might affect your degree of axis rotation. See http://cmgbb.wordpress.com/2008/04/03/axis-rotation/
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#175993 - 02/06/13 10:40 AM Re: Team 5: The Fifth Element [Re: General Pounder]
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http://www.bowlsk.com/games/view-series.html?series=8565244

Stunk it up first game.

146, 202, & 204

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#175999 - 02/06/13 10:32 PM Re: Team 5: The Fifth Element [Re: General Pounder]
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Scored well this week. Rolled games of 268, 267, 269 for an 804 series. Played straighter with my Motiv Ascent Solid and it just carried everything. Not a good night for my team, though. We lost all 7 points. Hoping we match up better here.
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#176002 - 02/06/13 11:25 PM Re: Team 5: The Fifth Element [Re: General Pounder]
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This will be the 5th 800 series in league history, and the first since B Fury's league record 824 two years ago. And thanks for waiting a week to bowl it. wink

You are also the first w/ 2 800 series in the virtual league, Joe. laugh


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