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#171613 - 10/01/12 08:00 AM This is a sad statement
Dennis Michael Offline
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Last week, Harry Sullins won the PBA Midwest regional in Ohio. His prize was $1400.

Also, last week, my friend Steve won the local ABT tournament and won a prize of $3000.

Let's see: PBA = Travel expenses, lodging, meals, entrance fee for $1400.
ABT = a local drive to the center by 9 am, and a lower entrance fee.

Amateur tourneys return more then regional PBA.


Edited by Dennis Michael (10/01/12 08:10 AM)
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#171615 - 10/01/12 08:45 AM Re: This is a sad statement [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Also: PBA = bowling scratch against pro bowlers, recognizable oil patterns
ABT = bowling handicap against local yokels, unnamed low-scoring oil patterns

In 2008, when there was an ABT in the MD/DC/VA area, I won 5 tournaments, earning nearly $10,000. Later, I discovered it was more than the PBA regional points leader earned the same year.

Naturally, I wish the ABT was still in this area. My only complaint was some blatant average management on the part of the bowlers, and some apparent inconsistencies in the re-rating system. In the meantime, there are plenty of other independent local scratch tournaments held on a regular basis at different bowling centers that are within an hour's drive from my house.

Sad? Only for the aspiring PBA pro. Perhaps the PBA could learn a few things from the ABT.
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#171617 - 10/01/12 08:54 AM Re: This is a sad statement [Re: Dennis Michael]
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That is sad- also, the biggest reason more guys don't join the PBA. If you're in an area where you can bowl enough of these tournaments, there's no reason to ever consider the PBA. Yeah, I know, test yourself against the best, blah, blah, blah- I'm all for that. Once you get your fill of it, and your pockets are empty (even after cashing), bowl all the local tournaments you can.
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#171631 - 10/01/12 12:32 PM Re: This is a sad statement [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Part of why Tim Mack stayed as an amateur bowler, more money in those tournaments.

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#171634 - 10/01/12 12:47 PM Re: This is a sad statement [Re: Dennis Michael]
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This is why I will never bowl an ABT event again:

about 5 years ago I entered a local ABT event and went in with a book at 178, that was my first ever year of bowling and that was my first ever book average. For the event I was given 20 pins a game, or there about.

After I sign up next in line is my local Pro Shop operator. He walks up and they are going to give him 3 pins and he says to the event manager, "no thanks, waste of my money". The manager then asks him how many pins he would need in order to consider entering the event. Pro Shop guy says "30", and surprisingly the manager says "Ok fine, he gets 30".

So, a guy averaging 220 in a THS league was receiving 30 pins, while I was just breaking 175 in league and getting 20. When I saw that I decided this event was definitely not worth my time or efforts. Sure the money is good but its not any fun for me when I know the entire system is corrupt.
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#171636 - 10/01/12 12:57 PM Re: This is a sad statement [Re: Dennis Michael]
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I guess it all depends on how it's ran. The guy here in the Denver area that runs ABT actually keeps it ran pretty clean. Recently he caught a guy doctoring his score... I guess this guy was on the verge of becoming a Storm staffer, until he padded his score by 10 pins to make the ladder. He's been banned from the USBC for 2 years, and lost his near deal with Storm. All to make the cut instead of take a loss and try again the next weekend. Really dumb move, but glad that the ABT guy caught it. I just haven't had the money to rejoin the ABT tournies or I would still be bowling them from time to time.
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#171638 - 10/01/12 01:12 PM Re: This is a sad statement [Re: Dennis Michael]
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I can't even imagine asking a tournament director for handicap, especially handicap that I wasn't entitled to.
NABI used to run tournaments here (maybe they still do, I'm not sure), and every tournament you didn't cash in, you'd get something like 3 extra pins of handicap, so eventually, you can't help but cash if you enter enough tournaments. I looked into the requirements for bowling in their tournaments at about the time I was ending my 6 year hiatus from bowling in 19900, but didn't meet the average requirements. Once I saw one of their tournaments, I'm glad I didn't waste my time and money.
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#171641 - 10/01/12 01:27 PM Re: This is a sad statement [Re: Dennis Michael]
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The local NABI tournament director was a regular visitor to the ABT tournaments. He once tried to recruit me to bowl NABI by negotiating a lower starting average. Excuse me, but common sense suggests that if you are doing that with me, you are doing that with everybody else, too. Let me think about it...er, um, ah, NO!

There were some shady things going on in the ABT, too. I remember one "regional" tournament held in DE for ABT bowlers from PA/NJ/DE and extended to ABT bowlers in MD/DC/VA. The problem was there were two different shots applied to the lanes, and scores were 50 pins lower on the one shot. You can guess which shot the local guys bowled. When I raised the issue to the tournament director, I was barred from bowling the $50,000 ABT national tournament in Las Vegas.
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#171647 - 10/01/12 03:48 PM Re: This is a sad statement [Re: Dennis Michael]
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The local NABI directors weren't interested in letting anyone new in above 200 in my area. If you joined when your league average was below 200, you could stay in even after you improved to a point above 200.
My first adult book average, after a 6 year layoff (1984-1990, final junior league avg in 1984 of 172) was 203.
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#171650 - 10/01/12 04:15 PM Re: This is a sad statement [Re: Fin09]
Joe Bowler Offline
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Originally Posted By: Fin09
The local NABI directors weren't interested in letting anyone new in above 200 in my area. If you joined when your league average was below 200, you could stay in even after you improved to a point above 200.
My first adult book average, after a 6 year layoff (1984-1990, final junior league avg in 1984 of 172) was 203.

Similar story here. Came back to bowling after a 10-year absence in 2007-2008. Bowled a fun league with my wife, and averaged 209 rolling an old Columbia AfterShock. Back in the mid-90's, I think I averaged 217 with it. The following year, I bought a drill press, started experimenting with some new equipment, and bowling in competitive leagues and tournaments again, and averaged 221, 224, and 239 in three different leagues. Yet, my ABT average was still 190-200, since the shot was often a reverse block, and I was rolling plastic 90% of the time. That was all the NABI guy knew, my ABT average, but still I was not going to play "let's make a deal" over my entry average..
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