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#166956 - 05/17/12 11:28 AM Please explain this style of release
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Ball is held with classic suitcase grip all the way through the release.
Arm swing is very relaxed.
Ball enters the lane with a corkscrew like rotation with the axis pointing down the lane towards the pins with the ball rotating counter clockwise, right to left around that axis.
The ball slides and rotates like a corkscrew even on very dry conditions for almost a full ¾ of the lane.
Ball hits the back end and transitions into a slight quick hook that that then transactions into a straight roll if the transition is early enough or a 10 o’clock angled hook-roll if the transition is later.
Looking at the ball with the thumbhole on the bottom and the fingers on top, the ball track crosses just to the left outside of the middle finger and the right outside of the thumb in a 10 o’clock to 4 o’clock diagonal.
What would you call this style?
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#166959 - 05/17/12 01:08 PM Re: Please explain this style of release [Re: nord]
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That is called a full-roll release popular 30+ years ago. There are thumbless bowlers who roll full-rollers, but they track in a different location in relation to the grip holes.

The thumb exits late close to when the fingers exit. If you turn your thumb down at the release and squeeze the thumb you should be able to roll a full-roller. It's called a full-roller because the track begins a roll using the full circumference of the ball which is 27 inches.

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#166960 - 05/17/12 02:07 PM Re: Please explain this style of release [Re: nord]
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Is that corkscrew like rotation of the ball in the slide phase the normal full roller motion off the release?
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#167016 - 05/19/12 09:51 PM Re: Please explain this style of release [Re: nord]
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Yes, most full rollers experience about 90 degrees of axis rotation with almost no tilt, if any at all.

This is caused by the hand being completely on the side of the ball throughout the entire swing.
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#167030 - 05/20/12 08:38 AM Re: Please explain this style of release [Re: nord]
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Don't think this is a full roller. If it were, the track would be between the thumb and fingers. The full circumference of the ball is where the oil rings would be, with very little flare. In the old days, bowlers were taught to flop their fingers in at release to impart some side roll and slight hook movement.

With a vertical axis, it tells me the ball is spinning. The bowler twists his hand at release when his hand is pointed at the floor, causing the spin. His hand and fingers are more on top of the ball, and not behind it when the ball exits the hand
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#167088 - 05/21/12 02:25 PM Re: Please explain this style of release [Re: nord]
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According to the original description of the track, it does indeed sound like a full-roller, as the track travels to the left of the fingers, and to the right of the thumb. It has to be cutting through the grip center, so it sounds like a classic full roller. It was a popular release back in the 60s, but as the game has evolved, so have releases. Frankly, I'm surprised drilling sheets still come with instructions for full rollers.


Edited by Fin09 (05/21/12 02:26 PM)
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#167108 - 05/21/12 11:05 PM Re: Please explain this style of release [Re: nord]
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I hear what you say, Fin. The confusing part is that a full roller has a forward roll. This is explained as a corkscrew rotation with a vertical axis.
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#167111 - 05/21/12 11:40 PM Re: Please explain this style of release [Re: nord]
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I don't think the words "vertical axis" were ever used.

When I read the original post I hear corkscrew with the axis pointing down lane, so this makes me think 90 degrees axis rotation with 0 degrees of tilt.

I could be wrong but this is what I get out of it, which is very common with full rollers.

OP, could you help us out a little here? We are all trying to get a good visual of what you are trying to get out to us but obviously its all up to ones interpretation of exactly what you are meaning in your description.


Edited by sk8shorty01 (05/21/12 11:42 PM)
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#167142 - 05/22/12 02:21 PM Re: Please explain this style of release [Re: nord]
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Yeah, I wasn't sure about the corkscrew description- I thought he meant that was what his hand did as part of the release, as a full roller has basically no tilt. I've seen guys who got tons of revs with a full roller, and some with very few, and the majority have a lot of axis rotation.
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#167143 - 05/22/12 02:24 PM Re: Please explain this style of release [Re: nord]
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Hi all,

Ok here is a better description to help you in identifying the release.
• Tack cuts right through the grip center, to the left of the middle finger and to the right of the thumb.
• Ball travels down the lane like a bullet leaving a gun barrel. It is rotating counter clockwise as it travels down the lane.
• Like a bullet, the axis is pointing in the direction of the travel of the ball down the lane (90 degrees?) with the ball rotating counter clockwise around that axis.
• When the ball hits the backend it will transition into a hook and drive into the pocket at an angle.
• If the ball reacts earlier (too soon?) then it will transition from a bullet to a hook and then into a forward roll.
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