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#165902 - 04/15/12 04:51 PM Thumbless trouble
Twofingertramp Offline
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I have been bowling a handful of times growing up. This last march I started getting really serious. I am a right hander thumbless cranker with my strike ball. I throw conventional grip three finger and straight at my spares. When I started to get serious and bought my own ball I had it drilled for me to put fingers in up to second knuckle. I played once sometimes twice a week like this. My average was 162 and climbing when I started experiencing second knuckle pain and swelling in my middle finger. I have since changed to a fingertip grip with inserts. The pain is gone, but I have alot less control, and my ball will move from first arrow to taking out only the seven. I moved left to line my foot up with board 30 and throwing at second arrow, I end up hitting 1-2 pocket. Any ideas or suggestions to get me back ^^in the pocket?

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#165904 - 04/15/12 04:57 PM Re: Thumbless trouble [Re: Twofingertramp]
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try moving your target in some but keeping your break point the same, so move your eye target at arrows to like 3rd arrow or maybe even between 3rd and 4th arrow, you may have to move your feet further left to do so
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#165915 - 04/15/12 09:52 PM Re: Thumbless trouble [Re: Twofingertramp]
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Thanks, I'll try that. Don't know if this will change your advise at all but I forgot that since the inserts I have been tracking oil really close to the finger hole.

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#165916 - 04/15/12 10:14 PM Re: Thumbless trouble [Re: Twofingertramp]
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well youre probably just a high tracker, thats not gonna really change any advise. just keep working, and the best thing to do is to talk to your Pro Shop manager/driller and ask him for some advise
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#165928 - 04/16/12 02:01 AM Re: Thumbless trouble [Re: Twofingertramp]
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Either start throwing two handed like Belmo where the left hand is a guide and isn't use to add spin to the ball, or learn to use your thumb. What your experiencing is very common for thumbless bowlers, injuries, lack of control, and lack of versatility are all limitations of the style.

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#165938 - 04/16/12 10:11 AM Re: Thumbless trouble [Re: B-Hammer]
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Originally Posted By: B-Hammer
Either start throwing two handed like Belmo where the left hand is a guide and isn't use to add spin to the ball, or learn to use your thumb. What your experiencing is very common for thumbless bowlers, injuries, lack of control, and lack of versatility are all limitations of the style.


I really am grateful for the advise. And don't want to seem unappreciative, but I am willing to put in the time and work to make my style produce for me. I have only been bowling for a short time and feel as though if I were to put as much if not more energy and focus into this style as I would into a conventional thumb in style it would be more to my personal style of going against the conventional system. I really want to make this work if for nothing else than to be good in a way that people said I couldn't

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#165939 - 04/16/12 11:40 AM Re: Thumbless trouble [Re: Twofingertramp]
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Originally Posted By: Twofingertram
I really am grateful for the advise. And don't want to seem unappreciative, but I am willing to put in the time and work to make my style produce for me. I have only been bowling for a short time and feel as though if I were to put as much if not more energy and focus into this style as I would into a conventional thumb in style it would be more to my personal style of going against the conventional system. I really want to make this work if for nothing else than to be good in a way that people said I couldn't


OK, have fun with it. It's not really a unique way of bowling, Tom Daughtery did it in the ToC last year (on his way to bowling a 100 game to Mika's 299). Daughtery is probably the best at doing that style, he was 8th at this years ToC so it is possible to get good doing it.


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#165997 - 04/17/12 12:49 PM Re: Thumbless trouble [Re: Twofingertramp]
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My personal belief (based on experimenting, and then watching a LOT of thumbless bowlers) is that you will never have as much control with it as you will either using a two-handed or "thumbed" delivery.

Reason is simple, you only have two points of control on the ball so when you deliver it, you can't hold onto the ball; you're cupping the ball and then kinda flipping it onto the lane.

I've seen thumbless bowlers get HOT, and I mean BLAZING, but only when conditions matched them and only for a while.


If you want to be counter-culture/against convention, try two-handed like Belmo. Even fewer of those, and you can get some good amount of control over the ball.

Just a recommendation - bowling is about having fun. laugh
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#165999 - 04/17/12 01:17 PM Re: Thumbless trouble [Re: Twofingertramp]
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I have a team mate who is a thumbless bowler. Right now, he's averaging 226, and has a handful of 300s and 800s. His thumbless style produces power that a lot of people can not generate. The difference I see between him and most thumbless bowlers (and even most traditional bowlers) is that he is SMOOTH. A lot of thumbless bowlers are jerky and sloppy with their approach, their timing is bad, and their balance is awful. Not this guy. He has a smooth fluid approach and rock solid balance. He also uses a ball that is almost 20 years old. Modern covers and cores are too strong for him to play the lanes he wants to.

The thumbless style can produce results that are hard to match, but to get there, its going to take a lot of work.
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#166000 - 04/17/12 01:20 PM Re: Thumbless trouble [Re: Twofingertramp]
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Riverside eh? I'm from Bakersfield. Well I hope to either improve and adapt with my desired style or rip my fingers off ^^in the process. Lol. Then I'll change to left hand thumb in.

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