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#62997 - 08/02/08 11:36 PM Re: Oil track over my thumb hole [Re: Brian Pickell]
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So the ball tracks from the bottom up then? If that is the case that explains so much then. I have been killing myself trying to stop this from happening on my ball. My oil tracks are run from right at the finger/thumb hole down about 6 inches, but if the ball actually tracks from the bottom up then there probably is not much I can do about it.


I'm not sure what you mean by "tracks from bottom up", but the ball comes off your thumb first, if your fingers lift straight then the ball will Track next to the thumb if your fingers turn counter clock wise, the thumb hole will move away from the Track, if the fingers turn clock wise the thumb hole will move into the Track.

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#62999 - 08/03/08 12:29 AM Re: Oil track over my thumb hole [Re: CoachJim]
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Well I guess what I meant was that on my ball due to flare I have several oil rings on my ball. One tracks dangerously close to my thumb and occasionally runs over it, then spaced about an inch or two apart getting further away from the thumb. Generally there are between four or five rings. So when I asked if it tracks from the bottom up. I was asking about tracking from the furthest from the thumb up to the thumb.. Or is it first Track right next to the thumb and progressively move away from the thumb?
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#63003 - 08/03/08 01:39 AM Re: Oil track over my thumb hole [Re: Brian Pickell]
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Your first Track should be closest to the thumb. So, if it sometimes is over your thumb, as Jim says, it seems that you are twisting your hand clockwise instead of the reverse.


Edited by Dennis Michael (08/03/08 01:40 AM)
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#63012 - 08/03/08 07:25 AM Re: Oil track over my thumb hole [Re: Brian Pickell]
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The Track should start next to the thumb and move away unless you use one of the drill patterns I described in my first post with either a full roller drilling or mb on the Track then it will flare back wards.

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#63016 - 08/03/08 09:36 AM Re: Oil track over my thumb hole [Re: CoachJim]
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Ok, that's the way I thought it was I was just a little confused smile . I don't rotate my wrist at all, so I guess when I drive my fingers through the ball on my follow through; if my fingers are above the equator it could rotate the ball clockwise. If my fingers are under the ball and I drive my fingers through the ball it should rotate counter clockwise. Would that be right?
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#63017 - 08/03/08 10:17 AM Re: Oil track over my thumb hole [Re: Brian Pickell]
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Brian, your hand must be under and behind the ball at the release point. Under the equator, as you correctly say. Your thumb comes out first, which leaves your fingers in the ball. The continued follow through finds your fingers rolling up the outside of the ball. This gives the ball its axis of rotation and rotational energy, creating revs.
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#63019 - 08/03/08 10:36 AM Re: Oil track over my thumb hole [Re: Dennis Michael]
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I went out yesterday and video taped myself. I kind of messed up and the camera was pointed a little low, but I could see my hand on the outside of the ball on follow through. Upon release you can clearly see my fingers coming up the side of the ball, and it was like that on every shot yesterday, but somehow I still had a couple shots where the oil Track caught the corner of my thumb hole.

My camera is an old Hi8 and I don't have a capture card in my computer at the moment, however I do plan on purchasing one in the near future. When I do I'll post some video as I am in dire need of help smile .
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#63021 - 08/03/08 10:53 AM Re: Oil track over my thumb hole [Re: Brian Pickell]
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Do you know if your thumb hole is offset? It is not uncommon since every person has a different shaped hand. Your thumb could have lateral left drilling.

Too many things to guess at. Is your ball an internet ball? Where mismarked balls often appear. CG could be mismarked.

Are you sure of your drill pattern. What is it? Is it right for you?

What is the exit angle of your fingers? Fingers at 6-5 o'clock have different results then 5-4 o'clock. Any higher should result in ball spinning, and away from the thumb.
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#63030 - 08/03/08 12:53 PM Re: Oil track over my thumb hole [Re: Dennis Michael]
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I purchased the ball from our Pro Shop.. It is a Pin-in ball where the pin is right next to the CG the MB is just below and to the right of the thumb hole (maybe 2.5")

I can't tell from the video what my exit angle is.. Best I can tell is my fingers look to be close to 5 o'clock and thumb at 10 o'clock.
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#63040 - 08/03/08 04:50 PM Re: Oil track over my thumb hole [Re: Brian Pickell]
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Ok I was able to upload my video to youtube, maybe you can give me an idea of what clock position my fingers are at:

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