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#157514 - 11/02/11 08:23 AM Re: Keeping score in practice [Re: vgnano420]
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Most of the time when I practice, I bowl for score. I find that it motivates me to bowl my best, and simulates bowling under competitive circumstances.

However...

If I am working on a particular aspect of my game, or something new, then forget the scores, and I will dissect my entire approach until I have integrated what I am working on and put the pieces back together.

A friend, who is a silver level coach, just returned after doing some traveling, and from 4 or 5 lanes away, caught me falling off the shot and helped me adjust my timing and the direction of my pushaway to get everything back in sync. Thankfully, there was no scorekeeping that day.
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#157515 - 11/02/11 08:45 AM Re: Keeping score in practice [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Originally Posted By: Dennis Michael
Scores mean little. But, a good release is always noticed.




Thats where i'm at right now. Just so tired of hearing score, score, score. What does that prove? I threw a 600 and it was aweful. If Execution counted for anything it would've been a 350 series. There has to be more to bowling then just scoring...

My teammates don't understand. Maybe i'm still burned out. What good is score without consistant Execution?

Wish there was a league where you were graded by how well you executed and not on the score. Just call your marks and throw. Wait, that would be practice. Pure, simple bowling.

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#157529 - 11/02/11 11:46 AM Re: Keeping score in practice [Re: metguy]
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Just so tired of hearing score, score, score. What does that prove?

Without keeping score, or bowlers challenging themselves to improve their scores, where would bowling be as a sport? If you think sandbaggers are bad now, imagine arguing with them that about whether their Execution deserved an 8 or an 8.5.
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#157531 - 11/02/11 12:40 PM Re: Keeping score in practice [Re: metguy]
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Originally Posted By: metguy
Wish there was a league where you were graded by how well you executed


There's always sport bowling
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#157596 - 11/03/11 01:32 PM Re: Keeping score in practice [Re: vgnano420]
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One of the recent times I was out practicing the hall manager asked if I wanted the approach lights turned on.
After a brief second I told it didn't matter. I was working on the "feel" at the bottom and I didn't need any additional lighting for that.
Each to their own, I guess.


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#157640 - 11/04/11 01:46 PM Re: Keeping score in practice [Re: champ]
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Originally Posted By: champ
Originally Posted By: metguy
Wish there was a league where you were graded by how well you executed


There's always sport bowling

How true. When I bowled in a sport league this summer, I only ended up about 10-15 pins average below guys whose THS average was 30+ pins better than mine, and crankers whose THS average equaled mine were 10 pins or more below me.
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#157704 - 11/05/11 11:30 PM Re: Keeping score in practice [Re: wklstoy]
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Originally Posted By: wklstoy
Originally Posted By: champ
Originally Posted By: metguy
Wish there was a league where you were graded by how well you executed


There's always sport bowling

How true. When I bowled in a sport league this summer, I only ended up about 10-15 pins average below guys whose THS average was 30+ pins better than mine, and crankers whose THS average equaled mine were 10 pins or more below me.


Not surprising, since many crankers need the drastically uneven oil distribution of a house pattern to make their shots. Especially the ones who only play an area rather than actual targeting. I bowl with some who can't even handle a used house shot. One guy's typical series is a 230-201-126 (his game has zero versatility, he only knows how to stand 35, roll through the middle arrow to the gutter and bring it back; if that's not working he's toast...and by the third game of league he's going through who knows what in midlane, if he ever tried a sport shot he might quit the game altogether).

As long as you have a good coach to help, or REALLY know what you're doing on your own, sport bowling is the best thing you can do for your game. Doing it without either of these two things though can ruin your confidence and then your entire game suffers.
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#157707 - 11/05/11 11:46 PM Re: Keeping score in practice [Re: vgnano420]
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Originally Posted By: vgnano420
I was wondering why everyone on here suggests to not keep score in practice. All of my goals in bowling this year are pin count related. So I was wondering why during practice people suggest to hit 10 pins or practice different lines instead of going with what works for you and going for high games/series. I'm asking this cause I'm still shooting to get my first 600 in league and ended up shooting a 688 in practice today. I can understand practicing a different way when I'm shooting 700's consistently, but I think until that happens I should always practice like I'm in league and go for pin count. Let me know what you guys think and let me know if I'm off base in my thinking.



Here is potentially the biggest problem with thinking about the score when practicing. Let's say you want to practice your strike shot (proper alignment, proper swing, hitting your mark, seeing your ball to the breakpoint and watching the ball all the way through the rack). There's nothing wrong with that at all.

Okay, you start practicing and you are executing very well. So well that your first six shots rip the rack. A lot of people's thoughts will suddenly change from "free swing...follow through to my target...hit my mark...watch my ball's action" to "OMG! I'm halfway to a freakin' 300!" Now your heart starts racing and you start getting into bad habits like putting a little extra into your shot to make sure you strike. That isn't practice, it's suicide for your game. Sorry, but if you think this is going to improve you as a bowler, you're a minority of one.

Also, practice time should be used for improving your weaknesses in your game. If you struggle with corner pins, shoot at corner pins. I'm just warning you in advance, don't expect to shoot any 600 series on the board while you're doing this.

I once went to a center to practice which isn't a place I'm known. I shot corners for a few games and put up scores like 38, 45, 41. Man, I really wish that someone had seen those scores and offered to bowl me for money...lol. Because I would have pulled out the other ball and started playing up the 8 board rather than going cross-lane at full racks HAHA!
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#157710 - 11/06/11 12:44 AM Re: Keeping score in practice [Re: vgnano420]
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Minority of 1? I'm sure your spot on with that assumption. What doesn't work for someone like yourself, who gets nervous practicing alone with no pressure, could work for someone else. I think a big part about starting bowling is to put up as many big scores as possible to gain confidence. Which will also help show that progress is being made. When or if you get to the point where progress comes to a halt or starts to decline is when I would agree with you about practicing your weaknesses.This may be hard to understand since its been awhile since your first league.
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#157715 - 11/06/11 02:50 AM Re: Keeping score in practice [Re: vgnano420]
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vgnano, you will read here about many techniques, and practices of bowling. We'll talk about release, steps, pace, arm swing, push off, and numerous other topics. All and any of these can be potential practice items for you. And, I am sure, you will find that when you attempt to change or correct some part of your game, your scoring results may not be good until you have mastered that change. So, when you do that, what benefit did you get form the score?

I guess, with you being relatively new to the game, you haven't gone to the lanes and only rolled at 10 pins. It will come.
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