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#156616 - 10/17/11 08:09 PM Please help with my awful approach/swing
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Today I was playing particularly badly. I tried to focus on my approach and swing but boo it looked bad. I can tell I started my backswing way too late (2nd or 3rd step not counting the first half) and for some reason my arm looks like it's going back to the left.

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#156617 - 10/17/11 08:38 PM Re: Please help with my awful approach/swing [Re: PowerBall]
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I believe your push-a-way is too high. Its causing multiple issues. Your swing is too far away from your body which is causing you to fall off-balance. And, like you noted you have late timing (in large part) because you're starting the ball too high. You're definately muscling the ball which is correctable.

If it were me, start the ball down by the hip while focusing on keeping hand behind the ball (not under it) and try to drive the ball using your fingers and not your thumb out to your mark.

Looks like your throwing plastic so lets not worry about hook but focus more on balance and accuracy. Hook will come later with the proper ball.
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#156618 - 10/17/11 09:30 PM Re: Please help with my awful approach/swing [Re: metguy]
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+1 to the previous poster...

First thing i would work on is getting the push away lower and started with your right foot.

You should be dropping the ball into it's free swing when your right foot hits the approach.

I always work on one thing at a time while practicing. It helps keep one concentrated on improving that item. I believe you will benefit the most right out of the gate by working on your push-away.

Good luck!!! By taking video and looking for help, you have great potential!


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#156619 - 10/17/11 09:51 PM Re: Please help with my awful approach/swing [Re: metguy]
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Originally Posted By: metguy
I believe your push-a-way is too high. Its causing multiple issues. Your swing is too far away from your body which is causing you to fall off-balance. And, like you noted you have late timing (in large part) because you're starting the ball too high. You're definately muscling the ball which is correctable.


Thanks so much.
Good catch, I wouldn't have noticed that I pushed it up so high.. I should just push it out in front of me. I am wondering, not counting the first half step, should I push it out as I am reaching for my first step or after the first step, or simultaneously?

When you say muscling the ball do you mean it's like I'm throwing it instead of releasing it?

Originally Posted By: metguy

If it were me, start the ball down by the hip while focusing on keeping hand behind the ball (not under it) and try to drive the ball using your fingers and not your thumb out to your mark.

Looks like your throwing plastic so lets not worry about hook but focus more on balance and accuracy. Hook will come later with the proper ball.


What do you mean by behind the ball instead of under it?

Yeah I have a new ball coming in a week or so but gotta learn form first..

Thanks again!

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#156620 - 10/17/11 10:12 PM Re: Please help with my awful approach/swing [Re: eclark53520]
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Originally Posted By: eclark53520
+1 to the previous poster...

First thing i would work on is getting the push away lower and started with your right foot.

You should be dropping the ball into it's free swing when your right foot hits the approach.

I always work on one thing at a time while practicing. It helps keep one concentrated on improving that item. I believe you will benefit the most right out of the gate by working on your push-away.

Good luck!!! By taking video and looking for help, you have great potential!


Thanks, video has really helped.. i video myself now from now on..

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#156621 - 10/17/11 10:25 PM Re: Please help with my awful approach/swing [Re: PowerBall]
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Originally Posted By: TidalKnight

[ I am wondering, not counting the first half step, should I push it out as I am reaching for my first step or after the first step, or simultaneously? ]

The ball should be at its maximum extension simultaneously when your right step is executed.

Originally Posted By: TidalKnight

[When you say muscling the ball do you mean it's like I'm throwing it instead of releasing it?]

Yes, and you can tell this because however high you get the ball in the push-a-way is how high it should go in the backswing. You are trying to slow it down almost immediately which is contributing to the ball getting to the line so far behind your feet. Then, at the point of release you are throwing your shoulder forwards to try and get some of that speed back but losing accuracy and (to a degree) balance.


Originally Posted By: TidalKnight

[What do you mean by behind the ball instead of under it?]

When the ball comes forward from your backswing and reaches the release point, your hand can be in any of three positions (not counting to the side of the ball). Either on top of the ball, behind the ball, or under the ball. Keeping the hand behind the ball with a firm wrist is a strong position capable of getting more then enough ball reaction. Good solid place to begin.


Originally Posted By: TidalKnight

[Yeah I have a new ball coming in a week or so but gotta learn form first..]

Absolutely. No bowler with a strong reacting ball is gonna score without being able to throw accurately and within reason balanced. Learning accuracy and form using a plastic ball is ideal, shows you exactly where the need to focus is at. This step of the learning progression is sadly overlooked by new bowlers. In the long run it will serve invaluable.
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#156624 - 10/18/11 01:02 AM Re: Please help with my awful approach/swing [Re: PowerBall]
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You are bringing the ball around behind your back. It needs to have a very straight, pendulum swing. Relax your arm and let it swing naturally and you'll see your accuracy improve immediately.

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#156628 - 10/18/11 08:42 AM Re: Please help with my awful approach/swing [Re: PowerBall]
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It looks to me like you are using house balls that aren't fit for you at all. That alone is going to cause a lot of issues, and many of them will carry over to when you get your own ball, but it will be easier to correct when you get your own ball. You have to grip the house ball to be able to hold on to it and that leads to muscling the shot from the start.
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#156632 - 10/18/11 12:53 PM Re: Please help with my awful approach/swing [Re: PowerBall]
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On top of what has already been mentioned, it looks like you are throwing an 8 pound ball. I could be wrong, but you certainly are moving it around like a toy. You need a ball that is heavy enough to control the swing. For most men that is 15 or 16 pounds.
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#156639 - 10/18/11 03:18 PM Re: Please help with my awful approach/swing [Re: PowerBall]
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Way too much upper body movement during your approach, which is likely due to a muscled swing. The shoulders should never rotate to the extent that yours are.

You're always starting up pretty square to the foul line, which is fine. But by the time you get to the top of your backswing, you've turned your upper body to the point that your shoulders are out of line (your left shoulder is well in front of your right shoulder so your upper body is facing right), and you're pulling the ball behind your body. Then in your downswing, sometimes you're correcting it and squaring back up (messing up your swing direction and resulting in tugging the ball) and sometimes you're keeping your shoulders in that position and missing to the right of your target. I can't clearly see the arrows on the lane, but I would estimate that your shots are crossing the arrows in a 15-board window (you're everywhere between the first and middle arrows at 15 feet), which is about 12 boards too many. If you're playing the 10 board (second arrow) you should always be crossing the area between 8 and 12, and most of your shots should be between 9 and 11. That sounds real bad, but it's not too hard to fix with some work.

Try out this drill to work on your swing direction. When you take your position on the approach, line your right shoulder directly with the second arrow and square your shoulders to the foul line like you're doing. Keep your shoulders square and swing straight, with the objective being to roll the ball over the second arrow and all the way to the 6 pin. For this drill, do NOT think things like strikes, or even pockets. This is a SWING DIRECTION and HIT YOUR MARK drill only.

Once you get that part of the game down, then you can work on things like hook and tweaking your launch angle.

You do look like you have the makings of a nice release, and once you get the new ball and relax your swing, you're likely to be really good.
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