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#152942 - 06/29/11 01:06 PM Balls layout
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Hi everyone i am opening this topic to find out about the layout that the pro bowler use..to begin with anyone knows the layout for michael haugen jr and walter ray williams?thanks

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#152944 - 06/29/11 02:10 PM Re: Balls layout [Re: pin10standing]
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I don't know this for fact, but I assume they'll use a variety of layouts depending on what they want the ball to do.

I think a common misconception is that pro-bowlers always bowl the same way no matter what the conditions are, which just isn't true. For example during this year's team shootout, Norm Duke is playing fourth arrow and hooking the whole lane, where you often see him playing straight up two.

Bowling Ball dot Com has some of the pro's favorite layouts listed here http://www.bowlingball.com/info/pro-pin-drilling-layout.html

WRWJ said on his website that he doesn't really pay that much attention to how the ball is drilled as long as he likes the reaction.

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#152959 - 06/30/11 03:20 AM Re: Balls layout [Re: B-Hammer]
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thanks B hammer, what i find that, the way way walter ray and michael haugen played is much simpler, i read about walter ray wiiams layout, the CG is at the palm and the pin at 1 o'clock. tried to drill my storm fast in a similar fashion and somehow get a similar reaction. Can i know what is a Dual angle layout?

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#152968 - 06/30/11 11:55 AM Re: Balls layout [Re: pin10standing]
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Originally Posted By: pin10standing
thanks B hammer, what i find that, the way way walter ray and michael haugen played is much simpler, i read about walter ray wiiams layout, the CG is at the palm and the pin at 1 o'clock. tried to drill my storm fast in a similar fashion and somehow get a similar reaction. Can i know what is a Dual angle layout?


You need your pap, axis tilt, axis rotation, speed, and revs. You then use that data to create two drilling angles which are adjusted depending on what you want the ball to do. By drilling the ball in this manner it is much easier to fine tune the ball reaction for the conditions and what the bowler wants the ball to do. The angles and ratios can be tweaked for the pattern your bowling on, balance holes can be added to reduce or increase ball reaction.

Why this system exists is because bowlers are like snow flakes, and that unless you bowl exactly the same as someone else you won't have the same stats and as such copying their drilling doesn't make sense because it's for their stats not yours.

That being said ball layout is only part of the big picture, and factors such as surface layout are a bigger factor on ball reaction, but not nearly as much as the bowler themselves, if you want a ball to react like WRWJ on TV then you have to bowl like WRWJ on TV. Keep your hand behind the ball with little rotation, don't tilt the ball, and try to achieve similar speed and revs.

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#154310 - 08/18/11 11:49 AM Re: Balls layout [Re: pin10standing]
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thanks b hammer i tried it but it seems my ball track run on my finger and thumb hole...why is that so?

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#154312 - 08/18/11 12:11 PM Re: Balls layout [Re: pin10standing]
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Originally Posted By: pin10standing
thanks b hammer i tried it but it seems my ball track run on my finger and thumb hole...why is that so?


The track runs between the finger and thumb, or the oil rings flare over the finger and thumb holes? Can you post a pic, sounds like you need a little axis tilt if your not full rolling.

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#154330 - 08/19/11 05:32 AM Re: Balls layout [Re: B-Hammer]
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I take a photo shot next time when i bowl...Its the oil ring that runs through the finger and thumb track,.

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