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#152226 - 06/08/11 01:05 PM Re: How do you bowl on "very" dry lanes? [Re: sk8shorty01]
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Originally Posted By: sk8shorty01
When you change your hand position bring in your index as well as your pinkie, not just the index.

If you just bring the index you are tricking the ball to make it promote earlier roll, this is not always what you want on the dry stuff. By bringing in both you lower your axis of rotation, which will remove the big snap and burn on the backend and instead tame the ball down so that it will be a little more user friendly.

Another option on dry lanes is to go to loft. Loft is a good tool if its done correctly, and attempting to throw the ball up is not the best way to do it. The easiest way, in my opinion, is to have a taller position at the line. Use less knee bend and the ball will be in the air longer which means it sees less of the lane surface.


Great tips! Thank you

I yet to truly use loft as I'm still a newbie, but I def want to try this/incorporate it into my game. If I can do this and use the hand position (if necessary), I'd be able to keep the Tropical Breeze on these torched lanes, which hits a heck of alot harder than my plastic ball. When I actually throw a good shot into the pocket on these lanes which is 30% or less, I don't want to see an ugly split or a solid 10.

So I got it...stay upright when approaching the fouline

Btw, does hitting light into the pocket have anything to do with entry angle? or is it merely where the ball ends up in relation to the pins (hitting more of the 3 pin for a right hander)
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#152271 - 06/10/11 09:33 AM Re: How do you bowl on "very" dry lanes? [Re: Pre-emptive Strike]
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Sk8Shorty01,

I took a lesson last night from a local coach and learned some valuable tips. He told me that loft hooks the ball more, which I found to be correct after experimenting later in the night. My Rising Star isn't quite enough ball I need to get to the pocket cleanly on a fresh oil pattern so I found that lofting helped get it there a bit.

You mentioned that I should loft to get the ball further down the lane on dry conditions, are you sure the ball won't grab too much and send it further left?

Basically on dry conditions, should I be rolling the ball with practically zero loft? or stand upright and get it further down the lane?
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#152272 - 06/10/11 11:11 AM Re: How do you bowl on "very" dry lanes? [Re: Pre-emptive Strike]
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You have a couple of options:

1. Move toward the center to find what oil is there. There should be SOME in the center.

2. Use more roll.


When I'm on this condition, I pull in my pinky and stick out my first finger (I also do this on my 10-pins)


Just don't keep doing the same thing expecting different results. . . be willing to experiment! laugh
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#152279 - 06/10/11 03:46 PM Re: How do you bowl on "very" dry lanes? [Re: Pre-emptive Strike]
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Only thing I can say is badly....
Grab the plastic ball and try not to leave a dozen splits.

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#152281 - 06/10/11 04:21 PM Re: How do you bowl on "very" dry lanes? [Re: ebon betta]
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Originally Posted By: ebon betta
Only thing I can say is badly....
Grab the plastic ball and try not to leave a dozen splits.


Hey I noticed you're from nyc. Where do you bowl? I bowl in a league at port authority. If you've ever bowled there or at Bowlmor, you'll understand exactly what I'm talking about. I refuse to give up, if I shoot a couple of 200+ games I'll be satisfied.
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#152282 - 06/10/11 04:53 PM Re: How do you bowl on "very" dry lanes? [Re: Pre-emptive Strike]
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I'm in queens....bowl at "astoria Lanes" on 49 st.

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#152350 - 06/13/11 07:16 AM Re: How do you bowl on "very" dry lanes? [Re: Pre-emptive Strike]
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Originally Posted By: Pre-emptive Strike
Sk8Shorty01,

I took a lesson last night from a local coach and learned some valuable tips. He told me that loft hooks the ball more, which I found to be correct after experimenting later in the night. My Rising Star isn't quite enough ball I need to get to the pocket cleanly on a fresh oil pattern so I found that lofting helped get it there a bit.

You mentioned that I should loft to get the ball further down the lane on dry conditions, are you sure the ball won't grab too much and send it further left?

Basically on dry conditions, should I be rolling the ball with practically zero loft? or stand upright and get it further down the lane?



Loft does not increase hook, its lifting the ball that causes increased hook. Hitting up on the ball causes you to lose momentum going forward, thus the ball hooks earlier because it loses momentum faster. Lofting the ball, correctly (hard to do), is very different. The momentum is still going forward, but the body position is higher so the roll is the same.

It is something that is difficult to learn to do, but once you do its a very valuable tool.

Your coach is not wrong, I think they are just attempting to make sure you do not hit up on it because when most people think loft, they think throw it in the air. Its all a learning curve, what was told to you at first was wrong is then added in later as being right, I believe this is the case.

Until you learn enough fundamentally it is going to be difficult to do without hitting the ball, after you progress you will notice things are added that were originally scaled back or removed.
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#152360 - 06/13/11 12:10 PM Re: How do you bowl on "very" dry lanes? [Re: Pre-emptive Strike]
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After bowling on very dry lanes last night, I've decided to quite that "fun" league. It was so bad that I switched from my two-handed approach with a urethane or plastic ball to a one-handed straight shot using a house ball and did better! I actually thought of reverting to spinning, but then I thought, playing on concrete is not helping me at all. The modern sport is all about oil patterns and ball reactions.

I just realised that I could have tried using my spare shooting technique on the first ball to have a straighter, more predictable line. That would have been good practise. Ironically, I was able to hit the corner pins. I just couldn't hit much else.

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#152365 - 06/13/11 12:58 PM Re: How do you bowl on "very" dry lanes? [Re: aoiten]
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Originally Posted By: aoiten
After bowling on very dry lanes last night, I've decided to quite that "fun" league. It was so bad that I switched from my two-handed approach with a urethane or plastic ball to a one-handed straight shot using a house ball and did better! I actually thought of reverting to spinning, but then I thought, playing on concrete is not helping me at all. The modern sport is all about oil patterns and ball reactions.

I just realised that I could have tried using my spare shooting technique on the first ball to have a straighter, more predictable line. That would have been good practise. Ironically, I was able to hit the corner pins. I just couldn't hit much else.


I totally understand your frustration, but I'm not ready to give up just yet. I want to be versatile and be able to bowl on ANY oil condition. I have been close to just switching back to the houseball for similar or even perhaps better results, but I just can't go backwards.

With a two handed approach the amount of revs you're getting on the ball must be quite intense for that condition, so I can understand why you would make the move. For some reason I think bowling on this condition could be improving my game. Even though I bowled 130s last time.
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#152408 - 06/14/11 02:07 PM Re: How do you bowl on "very" dry lanes? [Re: Pre-emptive Strike]
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See, to me it's fun to bowl on demanding surfaces and treatments. I want to be able to bowl anywhere at any time so I want to be able to change my style to fit anything.

Dry lanes? Get into the oil and cut down on the revs and use less aggressive equipment.

Wet lanes? Get out of the oil, increase revs, use aggressive equipment.

(caveat - oversimplified. . . laugh )
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