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#149924 - 04/12/11 07:07 AM How is my approach?
Sadik Offline
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Registered: 02/14/10
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A/S/L: 26/Male/Germany
Hello everyone,
Can you please make some comments on my approach?




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#149929 - 04/12/11 09:45 AM Re: How is my approach? [Re: Sadik]
CoachJim Offline
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You are over squeezing the thumb in the hole. You can see your thumb not exit the ball until the ball is well past your ankle. to fix this you need to get your grip fixed so the ball fits your hand so you don't have to squeeze it to prevent it from slipping. I'm not sure what type of Pro Shop facility you have, but it will take several trips to get it right it will take a lot of patients on both your part and your driller's part. You can start by reading these three articles and go from there:

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/btm03_files/btm3.htm

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/btm04_files/btm4.htm

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/btm05_files/btm5.htm

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#150571 - 04/22/11 10:43 PM Re: How is my approach? [Re: Sadik]
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I agree with Jim, there is something funky going on with the ball coming off your hand. You shouldn't have to make any effort to release the ball. It looks almost like your swing stops as you try to get the ball on to the lane. Have someone check the fit, check the pitches (angles) that the thumb is drilled into the ball to see if there are any issues. My bowling thumb has been out of joint for many years due to a karate injury. I have to get my balls drilled with pitches that might not make sense for most people but they work for me.
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#150609 - 04/23/11 03:19 PM Re: How is my approach? [Re: Sadik]
spr3wr Offline
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1) You have early timing, the ball is beating your feet to the release point.Your are pulling the ball down from the top of your swing.But first correct your pushaway placement.







2) Move your feet faster you have a very good arm swing (other than your placement ) but your feet are slow they don't match up.In your last step/slide as your knees get side by side the ball should start to come down from the top of your swing. You ball has already dropped about a couple of feet.



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#157463 - 11/01/11 07:57 AM Re: How is my approach? [Re: Sadik]
Sadik Offline
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Registered: 02/14/10
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A/S/L: 26/Male/Germany
Hello. Firstly, thank you very much for your comments. I tried to solve the problem with my push away placement. I still have problems with early timing. The other problem I'm having is I cannot keep my hand behind the ball properly. I give so much axis rotation and it kills my release. I also tried to prevent squeezing the thumb in hole by putting some tapes. I uploaded 2 more videos which shows my latest approach and release from 2 different angles. Your comments will be appreciated.










Edited by Sadik (11/01/11 08:01 AM)

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#157489 - 11/01/11 03:56 PM Re: How is my approach? [Re: Sadik]
CoachJim Offline
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Registered: 09/19/06
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A/S/L: Reston, Virginia USA
Your swing is bumping in and out at various points in the approach, read this article:

http://bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/swing_slot_btm_july_08.pdf

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#157490 - 11/01/11 03:59 PM Re: How is my approach? [Re: Sadik]
trekguy Offline
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Registered: 11/28/08
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You're a scooper... meaning you keep your hand under/behind the ball pretty well,(even though you do get around the side) .... that's good. Your swing bumps out to the right at the top of your backswing, quite a bit. This means the ball comes down towards your leg and you then have to correct it by flipping it back to the right at the point of release. This extra action makes it nearly impossible to have a smooth, relaxed swing... and robs you of ball speed. My guess is you do ok on slick lanes, and struggle big time on dry???

Keep your hand under the ball, but relax your arm. Think of your arm as being a rope with a ball at the end of it. This will help you to swing it nice and straight. Now, keep your hand straight behind the ball, and try to roll it end over end.... straight ball. This is how you keep from being on the side at the point of release. It will take a number of reps throwing it straight.... then,when you have that down pat, it's just a matter of adding a small amount of turn at the end of the release. In my experience, you will need to really work on the straight ball release first.... to override muscle memory.
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#157511 - 11/02/11 05:57 AM Re: How is my approach? [Re: trekguy]
Sadik Offline
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Registered: 02/14/10
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A/S/L: 26/Male/Germany
Originally Posted By: trekguy
You're a scooper... meaning you keep your hand under/behind the ball pretty well,(even though you do get around the side) .... that's good. Your swing bumps out to the right at the top of your backswing, quite a bit. This means the ball comes down towards your leg and you then have to correct it by flipping it back to the right at the point of release. This extra action makes it nearly impossible to have a smooth, relaxed swing... and robs you of ball speed. My guess is you do ok on slick lanes, and struggle big time on dry???

Keep your hand under the ball, but relax your arm. Think of your arm as being a rope with a ball at the end of it. This will help you to swing it nice and straight. Now, keep your hand straight behind the ball, and try to roll it end over end.... straight ball. This is how you keep from being on the side at the point of release. It will take a number of reps throwing it straight.... then,when you have that down pat, it's just a matter of adding a small amount of turn at the end of the release. In my experience, you will need to really work on the straight ball release first.... to override muscle memory.

Thank you very much for your comments.
Yes thats true. I do good on slicky lanes and its very hard for me to bowl on dry lanes. The first three videos were taken in an open tournament which has the RHINO oil pattern of Brunswick Authority A22 . It was 37 feet long and videos were taken on 5th game of 6 series. By the way, I have a video of my spare shooting. I do not have any problem with a straight release. But when I throw my strike ball like a spare shot, I cannot put the same revs to the ball as I do in the first 3 videos. The video is a little bit dark but you can see my spare shooting clearly.


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