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#149841 - 04/11/11 12:49 AM Two handed bowling after one year
d_j_s Offline
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About a year ago I posted a video of my two handed form. I have now made a follow up video of my new form. It is about 20 mph with a lot of revs, and I have seen results. Since switching to two handed my sport average has gone from 171 to 205 and my house average from 192 to 224, plus I have done way better in tournaments. The video is made to appeal to bowlers and non-bowlers alike, so it is mostly strikes and good shots...but still feel free to critique it.




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#149843 - 04/11/11 01:28 AM Re: Two handed bowling after one year [Re: d_j_s]
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U need to become smooth , like Osku or Belmo , most people who start bowling with 2 hands , look like they have tourette"s syndrom.
I have fun playing two handed from time to time , but really can't play with reactive equipment, to much revs , but with plastic I had some great times. U can see that my HG and HS are with plastic, though I'm not really two handing , just playing as usual but without my thumb.
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#149856 - 04/11/11 10:30 AM Re: Two handed bowling after one year [Re: PetyaSol]
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To me the biggest things are accuracy, consistency, balance, power, and of course the result. If I can consistently throw an accurate shot over and over, getting a strike each time, I really don't think about the "smoothness." I understand what you mean, but even one handed bowlers sometimes have strange motions in their form. Also, I have practiced this form for one year, so I think that I am rather experienced with it, but I could always improve. Thank you for your comment. By the way, what is your ball speed with your plastic equipment?


Edited by d_j_s (04/11/11 10:31 AM)
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#149860 - 04/11/11 11:58 AM Re: Two handed bowling after one year [Re: d_j_s]
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What I was trying to say with Smoothness , is that you need to get lower, more knee bend and slide , that will help a lot, since I've watched ur video u tend to lose balance a lot, and that's because u stand on a straight feet , sliding will also help. I'll make a video tomorrow on a pratice throwing without a thumb, since I never really measered my speed.

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#149861 - 04/11/11 12:25 PM Re: Two handed bowling after one year [Re: PetyaSol]
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While I do agree that I need to get lower and have more of a bend at the legs and less at the back, I think that my balance may have been a little misrepresented. The clips in the video came from 3 places: 1 practice session and 2 tournaments. In the practice sessions, the one in which I am wearing a blue shirt, I almost never lose my balance and have a very nice finish. The shots where I lose my balance all where in the 2nd tournament, where some idiot starting putting EZ Slide everywhere and messing everyone up.
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#149862 - 04/11/11 12:35 PM Re: Two handed bowling after one year [Re: d_j_s]
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I don't think in general that crankers and two handers and no thumbers are too concerned when it comes to balance and that sort of thing. The have the ball speed, revs, and power to trade off the with the finesse that strokers exploit. I say if you have a 200+ sport average, and a 220+ house average, what you are doing is working.

I assume you have a pretty high carry percentage, so maybe working on your spare game (these are just assumptions) may get you into the 230 average range, but you are closing in on the feasible ceiling for average.
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#149864 - 04/11/11 01:32 PM Re: Two handed bowling after one year [Re: champ]
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I agree with everything that you said. And yes, my spare shooting could improve. I had a tournament yesterday that I won, and I shot 663 for 3 games. However, the first game I missed two make-able spares, and I thought if I could make those it would really help my performance. That is definitely the next step.
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#149866 - 04/11/11 01:54 PM Re: Two handed bowling after one year [Re: d_j_s]
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Yeah, the first thing that I locked onto is the intensity of the delivery. For anyone learning the two-handed style, I wouldn't suggest /trying/ to be that intense. However, if that's the way you naturally play, it's fine. Over time it might smooth out and it might not. Results sound good though.

I was being coached by a really good one-hander recently. He said that the way I tend to play, I'm turning a "power game" into an accuracy game. I learned some useful things from him, but ultimately I'll have to play my own game. Same for you, I'd say.

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#149880 - 04/11/11 04:45 PM Re: Two handed bowling after one year [Re: aoiten]
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The thing I noticed the most dj is that you don't have a slide really. It's more of a plant where you jerk the ball through the swing. If you look at Osku and Belmo they have a bit of a slide. Helps with their balance, smoothing out the release and rev and speed generation. The balance will help with the release and the smooth release will help improve your accuracy.

The other thing that I noticed is that you get low by tilting your shoulders and upper body forward. That can cause you rush your shot because your timing will feel sped up. I'd suggest you work on getting a bit lower with your legs and trying to keep your shoulders from being so perpendicular to the lanes and more back and in line with your body. It'll again, help smooth out your approach and help with your balance, release and accuracy. You'll have to learn how to use a dipped shoulder but yeah.

And in regards to spare shooting. Look at some articles or videos on axis rotation. I've found that a two-handed bowler can still apply that. If you can get a handle on the 0 axis rotation one used for spare shooting you may be able to reduce the reaction enough to improve your spare shooting.

There's my two cents worth. Hope it helps.

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Edited by TheDemolitionMan (04/11/11 04:54 PM)
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#149884 - 04/11/11 05:07 PM Re: Two handed bowling after one year [Re: aoiten]
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thanks for posting the video, was fun to watch. Those are some really nice gains in average on both sport and ths. Looks like the two handed style fits you well.
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