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#148141 - 03/10/11 12:31 AM Been a while, but I've returned.. for more help!
Zergling128 Offline
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Alright.. So I actually have a really [censored] video of me I took last week, well my friend took it on my iPod. Quality isnt TOO bad if you make it full screen, mp4's seem to preserve alot of the quality of the vid. anyways, on sunday ill use a real camera.

but what can you make of this? any discrepancies?




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#148149 - 03/10/11 01:05 AM Re: Been a while, but I've returned.. for more help! [Re: Zergling128]
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Your push away is a step late, try bending less with your back and more with your knees for better leverage, hand turns early.

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#148150 - 03/10/11 01:08 AM Re: Been a while, but I've returned.. for more help! [Re: Zergling128]
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Your timing is a little off, you should be releasing the ball at your left ankle as your stepping on to it, in your vid slo-mo your slide foot is already stopped and planted then your swing comes through. And your not keeping your hand under the ball, you start off correct in your stance, but once you start your back swing you break your wrist and it never comes back under the ball.
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#148151 - 03/10/11 01:08 AM Re: Been a while, but I've returned.. for more help! [Re: Zergling128]
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I think you might be bent too far forward to begin with. Usually, coaches seem to advocate a slight bend of the knees and a few degrees forward lean toward the lane when setting up on the approach. You also start the ball a step late; the ball should be pushed out at the same time that you take the first step in a four step approach rather than at the second step like you are currently doing. You are also probably muscling the ball because of that late timing and it is causing you to cut off the backswing. I think straightining up and getting the timing of the push-away right will help you a lot. I'm sure others will be able to give more insight and hopefully correct me if I am off on my analysis. Good luck!
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#148166 - 03/10/11 08:37 AM Re: Been a while, but I've returned.. for more help! [Re: Zergling128]
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Ah, I see. Yeah i agree my pushaway a little late, it used to be REAL late. I also noticed I have a slight problem where I travel to the right while im walking, and it accounts for quite a few gutters and me scratching my head.

My knees are actually bent alot.. at least I think they are, when I get my tripod in there behind me my knees are really bent, I think if I go any further ill start walking like a penguin.

Being a little more bent over seems to help me prevent the really bad swingout I used to have. But I'll try to straighten up again.

Yeah my release still needs work. Keeping my thumb at 7 during my swing makes me feel very awkward, as I begin my pushaway I guess I subconsciously let it break to something more comfortable. I actually havent watched myself bowl in months so I never noticed what that looked like. It feels like i had a strong wrist cup but apparently not.

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#148179 - 03/10/11 11:47 AM Re: Been a while, but I've returned.. for more help! [Re: Zergling128]
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Originally Posted By: Zergling128
Ah, I see. Yeah i agree my pushaway a little late, it used to be REAL late. I also noticed I have a slight problem where I travel to the right while im walking, and it accounts for quite a few gutters and me scratching my head.

My knees are actually bent alot.. at least I think they are, when I get my tripod in there behind me my knees are really bent, I think if I go any further ill start walking like a penguin.

Being a little more bent over seems to help me prevent the really bad swingout I used to have. But I'll try to straighten up again.

Yeah my release still needs work. Keeping my thumb at 7 during my swing makes me feel very awkward, as I begin my pushaway I guess I subconsciously let it break to something more comfortable. I actually havent watched myself bowl in months so I never noticed what that looked like. It feels like i had a strong wrist cup but apparently not.


You don't have to walk to the line like a penguin, walk with a slight back bend, but then push into a slide where they knee will bend.

Not understanding the thumb at 7, where are you visualizing the clock? Floor, back wall, on the ball, etc?

Watch Steph Nation regarding the back and knee bend, if you can get into that same position you'll be in a good place.



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#148196 - 03/10/11 05:18 PM Re: Been a while, but I've returned.. for more help! [Re: B-Hammer]
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Whoops! I meant the thumb at 2, not at 7, haha. And my fingers at 6 or 7 puts my hand in a uncomfortable position.

OH, Thats what you meant about the knee bend. Thats a great vid too, thanks : ). Ill practice that

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#148372 - 03/13/11 04:34 PM Re: Been a while, but I've returned.. for more help! [Re: Zergling128]
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Alright, I tried to bend less at the waist and more at the knees,I felt like I was doing it, but it still looks the same.

Though I did alot better today than I did last week, i was a little more upright and my shots were way more consistent.

But getting that knee bend in the slide makes me feel like im going to fall, my foot slips to the left as I slide, and i end up hopping to avoid a fall. I must be not balanced.

Heres the better vids.




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#148412 - 03/14/11 03:20 AM Re: Been a while, but I've returned.. for more help! [Re: Zergling128]
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Take all I say with a grain of salt because I'm not a coach, but what do you think about your foot placement when trying to post the shot? I believe there are several articles that say to either slide with the toe pointed straight or actually pointed out to the left and your heel in toward the center of the body. I think this allows one to be more stable at the foul line and promotes better knee bend which might help you somewhat with your hopping problem.

Also, it's hard to see without a side view, but I think you are still starting the ball a bit late. I personally struggle with this as well, but I think if you can concentrate on that aspect, it will help your game.

I think you looked better in setting up, like you mentioned. Not as much waist bend. Hope others will correct me if I've misstated anything. Good luck.

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#148424 - 03/14/11 10:08 AM Re: Been a while, but I've returned.. for more help! [Re: Zergling128]
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I agree, I did also read that the heel should be turned inward. Everytime my toe points to the right, i slip, or the ball just goes in the gutter, it actually hurts my armswing too, I throw way right when that happens. It also might be because you can see I actually travel to the right when I walk, instead of walking straight. I know I'm supposed to do something similar to walking the tightrope, I read a ton of slowinskis articles. When my toe is straight, I'm balanced. I'm also balanced when I'm drunk but thats a different story. Hahaha

Yeah, the few times I was able to start the ball at the right time, made everything alot smoother, felt kind of strange though, as changing any bad habit would. Next sunday I'll bring my tripod, I had my little brother recording, trying to teach him how to bowl too since he wants to be on the bowling team in his highschool. He has a long way to go.. lol

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