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#147291 - 02/24/11 02:00 PM Re: Avoid Pulling the Ball [Re: Johnny5]
BowlerBob Offline
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At risk of repeating anyone else in this thread (not readiong all responses), here are my two major problems are:
1. 'chicken arm', i.e. not keeping my elbow tucked into my side
2. squeezing the ball with my thumb

Also, follow through is very important (apparently, but I've seen many consistent bowlers with poor follow through, go figure). So don't bring your arm across your body.
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#147296 - 02/24/11 04:23 PM Re: Avoid Pulling the Ball [Re: Johnny5]
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Originally Posted By: Johnny5
Wow that's a lot of input, thanks everyone. I really like some of the suggestions and I'll apply it on my next practice game. Currently the checklist I go through mentally are:

1. let the ball drop STRAIGHT on the push-away because this will also promote a straight backswing?
2. on the release make sure thumb points 12 o'clock position
3. follow through over the shoulders

One thing - I've heard of the keeping the elbow close to the hips and tried it before, but sometimes if I think about it too much I end up hitting the side of my hips on my downswing! Why is that? Am I not leaning sideways enough?


Your second one about the thumb pointing to the 12 o'clock position at release isn't going to help you avoid pulling the ball and isn't recommended unless you are throwing a straight ball. To get proper finger rotation so you hook the ball, your thumb should be left of 12 o'clock. I keep it at 11 throughout my swing, some put it at 10, others put it at 11:30. I like the 2 other items on your mental checklist though.

As to your other point, if you are hitting the side of your hip on your downswing, you MAY be drifting to the right. There are other possible causes, but a drift may be the culprit, you need to figure out if you are.
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#147305 - 02/24/11 06:04 PM Re: Avoid Pulling the Ball [Re: Johnny5]
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JW, I think I phrased #2 wrong. I meant make sure on the follow-through my thumb ends up pointing at the 12 o'clock position. Also when you speak of keeping it at 11 throughout your swing, you're speaking as a left-handed bowler? Otherwise this newbie is confused...

Dennis - I try to walk the line instead of crossing over, only because in one of Norm Duke's youtube videos he mentioned that to his student. But I guess it's just a matter of preference?

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#147306 - 02/24/11 06:31 PM Re: Avoid Pulling the Ball [Re: Johnny5]
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Johnny, when you start, the ball should rest in your cupped hand and weight equally distributed between both of your hands. In your swing, your hand should be behind the ball with your fingers under the equator of the ball. At the release, your thumb exits and your fingers roll up the side of the ball, moving from 6 o'clock to about 4 o'clock. As I do that, my thumb is at 12 o'clock.
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#147317 - 02/24/11 10:21 PM Re: Avoid Pulling the Ball [Re: Johnny5]
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I must agree with many of the other posters. If I miss I almost always miss right which I have been told is unusual. But, if I'm pulling the ball the first thing I look at is timing. Then I look at my timing...then my timing. smile I know there are many other reasons to pull a ball, but if my set up is correct, I'm not muscling it and my timing is on I rarely will ever pull a ball.
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#147319 - 02/24/11 10:40 PM Re: Avoid Pulling the Ball [Re: B-Hammer]
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Originally Posted By: B-Hammer
I struggle with this as well, when I check the video it's because at the top of my swing my hand has already moved to the outside of the ball, and then if I'm trying to rev the ball with my fingers at release they are pointed at the 7 pin so the ball will get yanked in that direction.


This is a good one to watch for! Keep the shoulder and hand open til the very end, and you'll find it's easier to get the ball out to the right. As a bonus, the ball will roll much better.

One simple thing that I do if I'm having a little trouble missing my target left.... or more so if I'm playing a deeper inside line... is to adjust the ball in my setup to the right a bit. This is just a small adjustment, maybe an inch or two, but it does work.

And, as mentioned already, don't pull the ball down from your backswing. Let it swing, then let it fall. This is probably the single most important factor in repeating your swing, and repeatedly hitting your target.
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#147402 - 02/26/11 05:01 AM Re: Avoid Pulling the Ball [Re: Johnny5]
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As everyone here, I had that problem.

The solution for me was very easy to read :

KEEP YOUR HEAD OVER THE BALL AT ALL THE TIME !

And that is it.
It may look like those pills that cure everything, but it really does cure a lot.

Why ?
Because by keeping the head on top of the ball, you will lower the bowling shoulder, your spine will be tilted, it will promote a lot of good things.

Of course the long version would be:
"Well this is what works for me"

1. Hinge push-away in front of you
2. Make sure that on the way down you touch your body with your elbow (so there is no space between you and the arm).
3. On the top of the swing rotate the hand (open hand). Keep that hand position until the release.
4. On the way down try to touch the body with elbow again.
4. At the release point co-ck the hand and than let go (un co-ck).
5. Post the shot

You do that and you say goodbye to pulling.

Piece of cake, huh ?

PS: Joe Slowinski has some great articles. I suggest you read them.
http://www.bowlingknowledge.info/images/stories/slowinskidec10.pdf


Edited by Vini (02/26/11 05:20 AM)
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