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#143706 - 01/10/11 06:24 PM Re: 4 bigTournaments coming up [Re: Rocket]
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But male bowling isn't under NCAA last time I checked. Some of the female programs are, but not all of them are. Many of the program fall in under NAIA (I think that's what it is anyways), but they might have similar rules as well.
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#143911 - 01/12/11 01:55 PM Re: 4 bigTournaments coming up [Re: Rocket]
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Some of the mens teams are NCAA I am pretty sure. I think the womens teams have to be, but the mens have a choice.

At least that was the impression I got before.
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#143927 - 01/12/11 04:03 PM Re: 4 bigTournaments coming up [Re: Rocket]
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Bowling isn't listed as a men's sport on the NCAA website, while it is listed as a women's sport. The impression I've always gotten when collegiate bowling is talked about is some female programs fall under NCAA, but no male programs are in it. Some aren't even under NAIA. NAIA considers it an emerging sport.
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#144039 - 01/13/11 02:30 PM Re: 4 bigTournaments coming up [Re: Rocket]
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I believe all the female programs have to be under NCAA because of the "Title 9" rule (I believe that is what it is).


Can anyone tell us?
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#144055 - 01/13/11 05:45 PM Re: 4 bigTournaments coming up [Re: Rocket]
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I believe the base of Title 9 basically banned discrimination based on gender when it comes to academics and athletics, at least according to what I've read on it. Sports seem to be the most controversial part of it. In that regard if females don't have their own team for a sport, or one similar to one the males have, then they are allowed to try out for the male teams. I believe Title 9 applies to high school sports as well. There is a lot more to it but most of that isn't what is being discussed here.

Many female programs of various sports are under NAIA as well as NCAA, or who knows what other associations if any. A lot of smaller colleges that have sports programs aren't even under NCAA which is basically like the USBC, a governing body to those who join it. Some colleges have some sports teams that are under NCAA and others that are NAIA.


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#144067 - 01/13/11 07:41 PM Re: 4 bigTournaments coming up [Re: Rocket]
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#144081 - 01/13/11 11:33 PM Re: 4 bigTournaments coming up [Re: 10PinGaloot]
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So I asked around tonight and here was the general consensus:

You are all right about the title 9 being applicable to womens NCAA.

As for collegiate mens: Men's college bowling has always been considered a "club" sport, and thus unable to applicably participate in the NCAA. One of the big reasons collegiate teams and players both don't all want to go to NCAA is they would no longer be eligible to win prize money in tournaments. This goes in both individual and team events. I think even bowling in an event like the USBC Team USA trials merits a cash prize for the top few. That would be against every sanctioned NCAA imaginable.

Basically I believe that players would miss opportunities to bowl in some extra tournaments and even PBA events if they were sanctioned NCAA.

I'm sure there are a number of other lingering issues or whatnot...I'll dive into this more with Eric Pierson. His son is bowling as a freshman at Robert Morris University.
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#144103 - 01/14/11 09:51 AM Re: 4 bigTournaments coming up [Re: Rocket]
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ryan,

You are correct about the money earned and it being a violation of NCAA rules. I am friends with Elise Bolton (Junior Team USA member) and she has earned scholarship money that would pretty much pay for anything she wanted from most universities and still some to spare.

She is going to attend Sam Houston State starting next year and she is already going to be bowling for their program which is under NCAA, because of this all the scholarship money she has earned is unable to be used because it is a violation of NCAA rules.

So all the Smart Account money is also lumped into the "money earned" for NCAA and cannot be used at all.
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#144141 - 01/14/11 08:14 PM Re: 4 bigTournaments coming up [Re: sk8shorty01]
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You guys are bumming me out, No scholarships for male bowlers, and now learning if he bowls for a collage all the smart scholarships he has won is for nothing?
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#144229 - 01/16/11 07:18 AM Re: 4 bigTournaments coming up [Re: Rocket]
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You guys are bumming me out, No scholarships for male bowlers, and now learning if he bowls for a collage all the smart scholarships he has won is for nothing?

Not if he bowls NCAA under Title IX (or P-League for that matter).

I think you're safe.

BTW - did anyone read my links? It took me quite a while to find them...
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