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#127248 - 05/08/10 11:25 AM Re: Bowling - Spinner/Helicopter/UFO Style ***** [Re: KahKiat]
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In the "kobayashi jyuka" video, it's interesting that the fingers go around the front of the ball. Also, I'm curious about the slip-on shoes: Are they actual bowling shoes?

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#138360 - 10/31/10 12:23 AM Re: Bowling - Spinner/Helicopter/UFO Style [Re: KahKiat]
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Edited by KahKiat (10/31/10 12:42 AM)
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#138372 - 10/31/10 09:49 AM Re: Bowling - Spinner/Helicopter/UFO Style [Re: KahKiat]
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Great videos!

My comments on the third -
- the kid has great form. For any game, that's crucial, but for a UFO, it's particularly necessary. I love the way he slides a foot and ends up right at the foul line.
- he bowls right handed from the left side. I used to alternate between throwing across the first arrow and throwing down the 21 board. just to the left of the center arrow.
- he got strikes on both sides of the pocket. The spinner pocket, while small, is on either side of the pocket, whether you throw from the right or from the left.
- In the 3rd frame, we see a slow-mo demonstrating his fingers point to the pins at the point of release - that's how I threw it in 1980 when I first started throwing a helicopter. A few years ago, I found that I could get just as much revs by stopping with the grip parallel to the foul line. Of course, I've since stopped throwing this shot as it requires a relaxed wrist for best effect, and my carpal tunnel doesn't allow that. I'll keep trying to find a technique that works as well with a cupping/uncupping motion, but I'm not there yet.
- He lost his string of strikes in the 5th frame (and fouled to boot!), but that's okay. His Justin Bieber haircut makes up for it (See? I really do know who he is. I was just joking before, I might be a Galoot, but I'm not an old fogey!)
- sick strike in the 10th frame, where he left the 4-6, and the 3 pin came out of the gutter to knock the 6 into the 4. Followed that up with a shredder on the right side pocket.
- a light hit on the left side pocket left the 5-9; a light hit on the right side pocket left the 5-8. Fascinating (says Spock).
- 211 - a decent score in league, but with 2 opens that shows why you don't see any pro bowlers throwing it.

All in all, Kahl Kiat, GREAT STUFF!!!



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#138377 - 10/31/10 11:22 AM Re: Bowling - Spinner/Helicopter/UFO Style [Re: 10PinGaloot]
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Originally Posted By: 10PinGaloot

- 211 - a decent score in league, but with 2 opens that shows why you don't see any pro bowlers throwing it.



Did you compare that 211 to what the other, non-spinner bowlers scored? I don't think that guy was even a professional as we think of them. The system works a differently in the Asia/Pacific region.

If you look up the averages of the PBA players--not just the ones you see on the telly--many don't average so high. I've seen higher averages in this forum, in virtual league, and at the alley down the road.

BTW, if you have trouble spinning now, consider trying a 12 pound ball with a conventional grip and 1" outward pitch of the fingers. You can add wrist support as some spinners do. You might also try a forearm support which is more common among hook bowlers. (I use one now, sometimes even when just playing a game on Facebook. heh Very effective.) It's also possible to get spin with less turn by only pushing sideways with your fingers instead of turning more and pushing with your thumb.


Edited by dagin (10/31/10 11:23 AM)

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#138422 - 11/01/10 11:35 AM Re: Bowling - Spinner/Helicopter/UFO Style [Re: KahKiat]
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Below are "page 2" stats on PBA men. Women's stats are not coming up. Notice that there are averages in the 170-199 range. So the PBA isn't all about massive averages across the board. Generally, though, the averages are 200-220, which is pretty good. Of course, the players who get on the telly are on page 1.

Averages, last updated on 6/22/2010

Name Events Average

Derek Sapp 17 210.84
Jesse Buss 15 210.26
John Nolen 15 210.24
Mike Wolfe 18 210.15
Nathan Bohr 17 210.09
Lonnie Waliczek 18 209.69
Tom Daugherty 10 209.69
Amleto Monacelli 11 208.82
Troy Wollenbecker 17 208.40
Ryan Abel 10 208.05
Tim Mack 17 208.05
D.J. Archer 10 207.80
Chad Kloss 9 207.32
Jay Futrell 9 207.22
Andrew Cain 16 206.84
George Lambert IV 17 206.77
Lee Vanderhoef 9 206.55
John May 17 206.13
Eddie VanDaniker Jr 17 206.09
PJ Haggerty 17 206.04
Ken Simard 9 205.80
Brian Himmler 11 205.45
Jonathan Van 10 205.04
Scott Newell 17 203.86
David O'Sullivan 9 202.70
Eddie Graham 10 201.17
Johnathan Bower 12 199.67
Michael Cimba 10 198.29
Matt Freiberg 17 197.45
Steven Black 13 197.39
Jack Nealon 12 172.15
Brian DiCicco 10 170.19


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#139251 - 11/15/10 12:43 AM Re: Bowling - Spinner/Helicopter/UFO Style [Re: KahKiat]
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#139264 - 11/15/10 06:43 AM Re: Bowling - Spinner/Helicopter/UFO Style [Re: KahKiat]
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What is the highest series ever bowled by someone with this style?

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#139267 - 11/15/10 07:25 AM Re: Bowling - Spinner/Helicopter/UFO Style [Re: KahKiat]
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Just 1 question. Why did the guy in the first vid change balls for the spare shot? Was it to get the ball straighter? I don't get it.

Light weight ball? Conventional grip? Backward hand? Ball slides and doesn't roll?

I guess this takes all of the oil patterns out of the equation. So, he bowls 211 on a house shot or a sport shot. It doesn't affect him.
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#139269 - 11/15/10 08:32 AM Re: Bowling - Spinner/Helicopter/UFO Style [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Originally Posted By: Dennis Michael
Just 1 question. Why did the guy in the first vid change balls for the spare shot? Was it to get the ball straighter? I don't get it.
I don't do that, but I can see why someone would.
However, I'm not posting here any more, so maybe aoiten can inform you.
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#139270 - 11/15/10 08:45 AM Re: Bowling - Spinner/Helicopter/UFO Style [Re: KahKiat]
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Actually, I do do that - for multi-pin spares - now that I think of it. I use my 15 pound reactive and either hook it or throw it with a slight backup so it goes straight.

I'm just saying what I do, not giving advice or trying to be the "subject matter expert".

Gotta go. I'm late for work...

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