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#135566 - 09/18/10 06:21 PM My first video
DocLogic77 Offline
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I finally figured out how to download video from my phone to my pc so here goes...




My hook has been pathetic the last few sessions and after this taping I think I know why. I seen many problems I don't know exactly how to fix.

1) I bend over at the waist to get low rather than bending the left knee. I suppose I got into this horrible habit because I have two bum knees.

2) My follow through is just odd. I extend way down the lane and it just stops. I know my hand is supposed to come up in a natural half circle as a natural progression of the swing. But, it appears the swing hits a wall at release and it actually feels that way. I have tried to get my hand up through release and just cant. Something is preventing me from doing so.

3) I thought my hand was under the ball. Shoot, I have a terrific wrist support. But somehow I am getting to the bottom right side of the ball on my downswing.

I would assume by me extending down the lane, and my hand being on the right side of the ball...that's what's killing my hook.

4) I wrap my swing around my back. I would have never guessed this without the video.

I need some help desperately as I have no one around this part of the country willing to coach me. And I have been asking around.
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#135577 - 09/18/10 09:57 PM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
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Not that I'm any authority... but it looks like your forward motion stops abruptly. Your left foot slides in and you lean forward to deliver the ball... and your motion comes to a screeching halt. I think your inability to follow through with your swing is a matter of you trying to keep your balance.

Next time you have someone with you, see if they can vid you from the side, that might give you some additional information on how you are finishing your delivery.
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#135579 - 09/18/10 10:05 PM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
DocLogic77 Offline
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Thanks Charlie I appreciate any insight I can get at this point. I didn't really know how ugly my swing was until I taped it...lol. With that said, I am encouraged because there is alot I can change without a ton of effort. My follow through does stop aburptly and I cant get it to swing further than that. I think you could be right. I think me bending over at finish makes it difficult for my arm to follow through properly.
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#135609 - 09/19/10 07:35 AM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
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You take four steps, the ball should start with your right foot, it doesn't move until the second step, this puts you a whole step behind where you should be as far as timing goes. The late timing is what is causing you to force the ball down from the top of the swing with your back because you are at the foul line and the ball is still way behind you instead of being at your right hip.

Your knee bend is fine it is your timing and posture that need work. You can always use more knee bend, but I think the amount you have will suffice until you are ready to join the regional tour, then you might need to work on it some more. I have seen much worse as far as knee bend goes on this site believe me.

Focus on starting the ball with your right foot, and let the ball drop into the swing as the right heel touches the floor. You can practice this at home for 10 minutes a day when you aren't at the lanes. Take your stance, put your hand in the ball, take your first step and move the ball at the same time, as your right heel touches the floor, drop the ball into the swing and take the next step as the ball swings by your right leg, keep your left leg ahead and let the ball swing back and catch it and do it again and again until it feels natural. Then go to the lanes and do it there for 10 minutes as a warm up before you start bowling and do it between shots until you are able to start the ball with your right foot comfortably.


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#135616 - 09/19/10 09:14 AM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
DocLogic77 Offline
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Thanks Coach that was extremely helpful.
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#135702 - 09/20/10 10:47 AM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
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I agree with CoachJim 100%, it is your late timing (a step to late) that is causing your issues. When you change your timing by starting the movement of the ball with your right foot you will notice an improvement in all areas of your game. Of course, this does not mean that you will suddenly be Chris Barnes, but you will notice the game becomes easier. With the proper timing you will be able to fix what other issues remain, bad timing causes bad results.
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#135713 - 09/20/10 11:55 AM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
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Doc, I'm sure you will do this anyway...but just to reiterate, please listen to these guys! smile My own videos have captured some truly [email protected] technique (feel free to look through my posts for them, but only if you have a strong stomach -- you'll want to throw up).

Jim, sk8 and others have offered up some very, very helpful advice which I'm using. Along the lines of what sk8 said, I also am no Chris Barnes and never will be, but as a relatively new player, timing is far and away my #1 issue. Largely because of advice I have received here, the feel for it is improving basically every time I bowl.
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#135739 - 09/20/10 05:28 PM Re: My first video [Re: MikeHL]
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I want to thank you guys for all of the help. I totally reworked my footwork...moving to a 4 step, not leaning over etc. I also found out how much easier it is to follow through properly when I am not leaning over. First game with this new style I bowled a 179 which for me is my best since being back into the game. I got a lucky 190 years ago. I think my swing looks better...not great but better.

I apologize for the [censored] lighting. Our bowling alley is not condusive to solid video.



What should I work on next?
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#135759 - 09/20/10 10:56 PM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
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Still looks the same to me but what do I know.

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#135762 - 09/20/10 11:32 PM Re: My first video [Re: CoachJim]
DocLogic77 Offline
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Registered: 09/01/10
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I respect your opinion so can you please expound? I am now using a 4 step approach and not leaning foward as much through my release. I am now following through with hand near my head. Was I not doing these things? Further explanation would be extremely helpful.


Edited by DocLogic77 (09/20/10 11:37 PM)
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