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#138366 - 10/31/10 07:48 AM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
Dennis Michael Offline
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Doc, your head, the ball and your right foot should be in a vertical line. Straight down. Your right foot should step in front of your left. That gets your hip and knee out of the way of the ball.
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#138367 - 10/31/10 09:07 AM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
CoachJim Offline
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I certainly want all the advice I can get. But, I have heard different things with starting position of ball. I have heard from some that the ball should be positioned where your swing plane will be. When you see Chris Barnes his starting position is more to the outside. I know others start where you are describing.

So, are you saying to start waist height under right chest dropping it over right knee? How do you avoid hitting your right knee? I apologize for being ignorant on this topic I just don't quite understand what you are asking me to do.


If you were to look at Barnes from behind, you wouldn't see the ball until his second step. The ball is perfectly in line with his right foot, and his head in the set up. The ball goes over the right foot, but it only feels that way, the right foot actually crosses in front of the left foot, the ball starts off in line with your target, then drops back into the swing. You swing the ball out to the right first, your target would have to be on the next lane to be swinging it like you are.

You seem to be having alignment issues and don't seem to have a feel for where your target line is or the path you should walk, or what your target should even be in the first place.

You can try my system, it is a bit advanced since it requires you to learn to throw a straight ball with very little (not more than 3 boards of hook):

To learn to throw the ball straight, stand on the 7 board with your left foot (right handed), aim at the two or three board at the arrows and try to throw the ball straight up the gutter and pick off the 10 pin. This exercise will help teach you to stay behind the ball and throw a straight ball. When you have developed a good feel for this, try doing it with your most hooking ball and see if it still goes straight, if so mission accomplished, if not your hand is still turning and keep working on it.

My spare system uses the middle arrow for all but a few spares. Start by lining up to pick the 10 pin out of the rack using a straight shot across the middle arrow, take note of where your feet are. Keep trying until you can pick the 10 pin out of a full rack of pins when ever you want. Like I said pay attention to where your feet are, as this is where all of your other spares are based on.

The pins line up with the arrows, 10 pin is on 5, 6 is on 10, 3 and 9 are on 15, the 1 and 5 are on 20, the 2 and 8 are on 25, the 4 is on 30 and the 7 is on 35.

There is a two at the pins to one at the arrows ratio, so if you move your feet one board to the right and aim at the same target, the ball will finish 2 to the left. Lets say you lined up to pick the 10 out of the rack and you were standing on 35 and going across 20 at the arrows, to hit the 9 pin you move your feet 5 boards to your right and stand on 30, the 8 pin you would stand on 25 and the 7 you would stand on 20. You will have to experiment as everyone's body is different, some move 6 boards between pins others move 7, I move 7 to start with from 37 for my 10 to 30 for my 9 then 25 for my 8 and 20 for my 7.

The 4,5,and 6 pins are half way between the 10 and 9, 9 and 8, 8 and 7.

The only thing I shoot different is washout splits (1,2,4, and 10) and buckets (2,4,5,and 8) I shoot them standing 32/33 and going straight up 25.

If you are having a problem with the left side spares it usually means your shoulders are not square to the 7 or what ever spare you are shooting. It also probably means you are walking and lining up straight with the boards instead of square to your target.

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#138373 - 10/31/10 10:03 AM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
spr3wr Offline
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Thanks Dennis Michael and CoachJim for fully explaining the proper ball setup in the stance and pushaway.
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#138376 - 10/31/10 10:55 AM Re: My first video [Re: spr3wr]
DocLogic77 Offline
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Thanks guys...I appreciate the clarification.
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#138531 - 11/03/10 03:47 PM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
DocLogic77 Offline
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I just wanted to thank you guys for the adjustment in my starting ball position. My swing feels more natural and I'm more accurate. I bowled my new high today 220, 8 strikes 1 open. I don't have a video because my phone battery was about dead. Just wanted to express a word of thanks.
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#138712 - 11/07/10 01:11 PM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
DocLogic77 Offline
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Registered: 09/01/10
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I have been trying to implement what all the coaches here have been teaching me. The biggest jump in my game has been recently with just the new starting ball position...making sure my head the ball and my right knee are lined up. I hope the timing looks better...I have been working on it really hard. Everytime I'm missing my marks I first look at my timing...getting the ball into my swing earlier. I want to thank all the coaches for their advice. I would like a little feedback on my current swing.



Edited by DocLogic77 (11/07/10 01:12 PM)
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#138732 - 11/07/10 07:30 PM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
johnny2times Offline
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Registered: 02/10/09
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Once you put your hand in the ball take a deep breath then go. You take way too much time on the approach. Only bad things happen when you take that much time.

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#138734 - 11/07/10 07:55 PM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
spr3wr Offline
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1)Taking too long at setup 3seconds is long enough you took 9 seconds.
2)Pushaway over right knee to keep bowling arm closer to body.

Looks better keep up the good work.

Anyone else see anything I missed?
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#138799 - 11/08/10 02:13 PM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
DocLogic77 Offline
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Registered: 09/01/10
Posts: 218
A/S/L: m/37/ky
Thanks...yes I notice that in the video I pushed out slightly to the right of my knee. I worked on that today and had another series better than the one before. I really struggle through well oiled lanes and couldn't really get my strikes going but my spares were dead on today. 157-167-172

I really appreciate your advice. Besides the whole timing advice I would say this minor adjustment added more pins to my game than any other changes.
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#140422 - 12/03/10 05:42 PM Re: My first video [Re: DocLogic77]
DocLogic77 Offline
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Registered: 09/01/10
Posts: 218
A/S/L: m/37/ky
Have been struggling as of late and not quite sure why. Sorry for the video quality but thought I would post it anyhow.

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