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#133778 - 08/22/10 10:24 PM New Backswing
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Working on lengthening my second step and as such lengthening my back swing. The funny thing is though that the second step feels longer but doesn't look longer.

Swing feels pretty free and grip feels pretty loose, had to add in a few more pieces of tape due to thumb being back to normal size.

Don't have video of it, but badly pulled some balls, I think that was happening when the ball got to the top of the backswing before the third step.

Constructive criticism welcome.


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#133783 - 08/23/10 06:39 AM Re: New Backswing [Re: B-Hammer]
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You seem to be taking too big of a swing, by that I mean you are swinging the ball with your back, watch the movement of your back, it bends forward then pulls back, try to keep your back still and let your shoulders rotate more.

Not letting your shoulders rotate is the reason the second shot chicken winged off into the gutter. The shoulder was closed and you screwed the ball into the lane rather than keeping your hand behind the ball and letting the ball just roll off your hand smoothly.

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#133794 - 08/23/10 12:13 PM Re: New Backswing [Re: CoachJim]
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Originally Posted By: CoachJim
You seem to be taking too big of a swing, by that I mean you are swinging the ball with your back, watch the movement of your back, it bends forward then pulls back, try to keep your back still and let your shoulders rotate more.

Not letting your shoulders rotate is the reason the second shot chicken winged off into the gutter. The shoulder was closed and you screwed the ball into the lane rather than keeping your hand behind the ball and letting the ball just roll off your hand smoothly.


Thanks for the feedback coach.

I was trying to implement the Ron Clifton article http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip41_files/tip41.htm. Would you say that this article applies when someone has a swing where their shoulders stay square the entire time but they want the back swing to be a bit longer?

In my case I should try and keep my back from bending but open my shoulders to achieve a longer back swing.

Or am I misunderstanding the concept entirely?

Thanks again.

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#133805 - 08/23/10 08:15 PM Re: New Backswing [Re: B-Hammer]
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B-Hammer, read the second last sentence of the article, and you'll find your answer. It would seem that you have the same problem that I have.

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#133826 - 08/24/10 06:52 AM Re: New Backswing [Re: B-Hammer]
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You need to bend at the right point and allow your shoulders to open. Keeping the shoulders closed will pinch your rotator cuff and eventually tear it (happened to me and still hurts years later). Reaching to the break point with your balance arm will allow your shoulders to open naturally and let your arm swing. Use the balance arm to pull the shoulders closed when the ball reaches the release point, this will add power, speed and keep your hand behind the ball.

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#133832 - 08/24/10 09:06 AM Re: New Backswing [Re: B-Hammer]
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Originally Posted By: B-Hammer
Working on lengthening my second step and as such lengthening my back swing.


To achieve this walk heel-toe on your 2nd step.

Originally Posted By: CoachJim
You need to bend at the right point and allow your shoulders to open. Reaching to the break point with your balance arm will allow your shoulders to open naturally and let your arm swing. Use the balance arm to pull the shoulders closed when the ball reaches the release point, this will add power, speed and keep your hand behind the ball.


Watch this video.Notice his 2nd step heel-toe and watch this balance arm.



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#133840 - 08/24/10 12:07 PM Re: New Backswing [Re: B-Hammer]
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Thanks for the feedback, I think I get it now, I wasn't really thinking about the balance arm, will have to have my wife call me on it if I'm not using it correctly.

After watching the Barnes video a couple times it reminded me of my wife's yoga video. I think the pose is called Warrior 2, but tilted so that you point at the break point.

Couple more weeks until league starts, hopefully I can nail it down before then.

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#133859 - 08/24/10 06:57 PM Re: New Backswing [Re: B-Hammer]
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I noticed a bit of a stutter in you second step. It appears that you are carrying the ball when you take your first step and the stutter lets the ball catch up from steps 2 to 3.
When you set up, put your weight more on your heels than toes as you push and step, drop the ball into the swing as your right foot touches down and walk past the ball. Just let the momentum move the ball through your swing.
I have a question too, if you don't mind. What is the thought process behind changing your swing? What is the goal? That info would be helpful to get you going.
Thanks, GOOD BOWLING!
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#133874 - 08/24/10 11:16 PM Re: New Backswing [Re: IBowlPaul1969]
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Originally Posted By: IBowlPaul1969

I have a question too, if you don't mind. What is the thought process behind changing your swing? What is the goal? That info would be helpful to get you going.
Thanks, GOOD BOWLING!


I was mostly after ball speed without having to run to the line or muscling it. Also felt like bowlers with longer swings are a bit more fluid, I'm sure it's just my perception, but when I think long I think smooth.

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