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#132848 - 08/06/10 03:03 AM Pain free release
marmot Offline
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Registered: 08/05/10
Posts: 20
A/S/L: 34/M/Juneau, AK
I've been into bowling seriously now for the past couple years. I've always seem to have problems with my wrist nagging me after repeated bowling sessions, and am determined to get the form right so I can bowl until I'm 90. So while on vacation to visit the family I've gotten a new ball, wrist brace, read a bunch of Ron C and hit the lanes a few times for some well deserved solitude. When I got back my wrist is hurting (same ol' pain). I waited a couple weeks, then shot this video for documentation:

Horror show. And this is one of my better swings from my practice. How humbling video is. A far cry from my ideal:


I was having a hard time figuring out what I'm doing wrong, but then I read a bunch of posts from people on this site with the same problem: clearing the hip causing a weird swing path. In my case I compensate for it and am still able to get enough hook. The cost is in the wrist motion I think.

So I think I know the answer from reading a bunch of threads here + some Slowinsky articles: walk a tight rope, drop the non-bowling hand in front and then close off shoulders during release, keep the head still and over the ball from stance to follow through, work on one step drill, and for God's sake loosen up the grip Jack.

My real question are these:

1) I'm thinking I should wait another couple weeks til trying a new release / swing path again. What drills can I do while traveling (for work) and at home without a bowling ball and without injuring an already tender wrist?

2) Am I on the right track as far as things to work on first?

Thanks folks.

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#133088 - 08/10/10 10:26 AM Re: Pain free release [Re: marmot]
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Have you tried making changes to your fit? I don't see anything extreme in your release that should cause any pain. Do you have any previous injurys to your wrist? (broken wrist, tendinitis, so-forth) One thing to check is your span, specifically the ring finger. If your hand calls for a drop ring meaning the span on your ring finger being shorter to the middle and you are not using that, it pulls on the tendon coming from your ring and pinky fingers and puts strain on the wrist. This is just one example of what it could be, there are many more.
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#133100 - 08/10/10 01:27 PM Re: Pain free release [Re: Jmartin27407]
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Don't listen to me, but wait for the coaches to confirm or deny my take on this problem.
I have heard & read on here that the free unforced arm swing is about consistant repeatable ball speed. I am beginning to think it is more about non-injury to the bowler that has a strong release position on the ball. I am far from there but as I am getting to stronger positions in my release, I start to feel index finger joints pain, finger tip pain, wrist pain that I have never felt before. This forces me to "let the ball drop more freely" or get better not "forcing the down swing", etc. to have any developing pain go away. I think if there is pain to bowling it is the bowler fighting the natural movement of the ball. Easy to say hard to do I think. Less is more. Talk to me in six months I'm guessing.

~ John


Edited by ijohn83 (08/10/10 01:29 PM)

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#133102 - 08/10/10 03:20 PM Re: Pain free release [Re: marmot]
CoachJim Offline
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Registered: 09/19/06
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A/S/L: Reston, Virginia USA
Welcome to the site Marmot.

Can you post a picture of your hand in the ball, another picture of just your thumb in the hole and your fingers laying relaxed (not stretched) across the holes so I can see where the holes are in relation to your finger joints. I think Jimmy Martin is right that your span is too long, this is the fastest way to injure yourself. Post those pictures so we can see and give you better advice.

Not sure if you have read this article by Ron C, but it explains what we are talking about as far as span.

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/btm05_files/btm5.htm

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#133145 - 08/11/10 10:48 AM Re: Pain free release [Re: CoachJim]
marmot Offline
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Registered: 08/05/10
Posts: 20
A/S/L: 34/M/Juneau, AK
I'm currently on the road, but when I get back I'll post a picture of my hand in the bowling ball.

I've thought of ball fit before, so far I've been to the local driller and a guy in Dublin, CA. Both were great as far as spending a lot of time, being patient with a n00by and asking a lot of questions. Both balls seem different but I would be hard pressed to tell you how - after throwing my most recent ball for the past 2 months my old ball completely hangs on my thumb. Just about bowled myself down the lanes. Funny thing is I don't *think* I'm grabbing the ball in either case, and I try to have a tight thumb hole.

As far as previous injuries, there was some symptoms of RSI (so much typing) about 3 years ago, but that seems to have gone away. This seems different though, no burning, tingling, I can grip 100% without pain. Pain only seems to come with hand in the "bowling pose", open wide, and starting to cup wrist. If I let my wrist completely loose and slowly bend wrist in with my other hand I can feel it too. On a scale between one and ten I'd give it a 6 or 7. Tried one throw with it yesterday after a week off and it stinged, so I bowled the rest of the game left handed and lost to my wife who bowled the best game of her life smile

Just want to make sure I'm doing it right. Will check out that article.

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#133149 - 08/11/10 12:55 PM Re: Pain free release [Re: marmot]
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Originally Posted By: marmot
If I let my wrist completely loose and slowly bend wrist in with my other hand I can feel it too.

That sounds likea serious problem. If a month's rest doesn't fix it, see a doctor. Often, though, rest is all your tendons are asking for. If it's carpal tunnel-related, then you'll never eliminate it.
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#133151 - 08/11/10 01:47 PM Re: Pain free release [Re: 10PinGaloot]
marmot Offline
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Registered: 08/05/10
Posts: 20
A/S/L: 34/M/Juneau, AK
Is it possible to get stress fractures from bowling? In any case a few weeks mostly spent on the road means enforced rest, which is a good thing in this case. League starts on the 25th and I'm going to try to not bowl until then. I don't care too much about the score on the first night we're just establishing average, so if I have to just take it easy with a lower ball speed and easy release, that's fine with me.

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#133927 - 08/26/10 09:21 AM Re: Pain free release [Re: CoachJim]
marmot Offline
Junior

Registered: 08/05/10
Posts: 20
A/S/L: 34/M/Juneau, AK
Between trips I couldn't help myself and tried (a very relaxed attempt) bowling a game with my wife, and it was somewhat tender then. The next day was throbbing, so I called the doc. Found a cyst in there that could be pressing up against a nerve. Going to see a hand specialist sometime soon to see what the options are.

I put 3 attachments to this post, showing fingers in the ball, out of the ball.


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#134744 - 09/08/10 12:19 AM Re: Pain free release [Re: marmot]
marmot Offline
Junior

Registered: 08/05/10
Posts: 20
A/S/L: 34/M/Juneau, AK
Well seen the doc and it's going to come out mid October. We'll see how we do after that point. In the meantime I've got my friend's old ball and I'm going to redrill it lefty.

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#134765 - 09/08/10 05:58 AM Re: Pain free release [Re: marmot]
CoachJim Offline
USBC Silver Coach

Registered: 09/19/06
Posts: 4665
A/S/L: Reston, Virginia USA
Get the cyst removed and your span shortened so it matches the fit described in the bowl4fun article I posted earlier. You can see the crease of your first joint is just barely past the edge of the finger holes. The 1/2 way point between the first two joints should be where the edge of the holes are.

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