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#129575 - 06/08/10 01:27 PM Help shooting the 5th and 6th arrows
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I'm practicing playing deeper this summer, I'm good until I get to the 5th arrow, my problem is the ball return. I don't feel I can get far enough left with by body to shoot these arrows. And when I try to stand farther up in front of the return things are out of whack. Should I be trying to drift left as I get closer to the foul line?
Please give me your tips and advice?

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#129576 - 06/08/10 02:14 PM Re: Help shooting the 5th and 6th arrows [Re: Revenator]
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What happens when you move left? Bad carry, bad entry angle, pulling the shot, ball not recovering, other?


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#129577 - 06/08/10 02:14 PM Re: Help shooting the 5th and 6th arrows [Re: Revenator]
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This is one of those things you have to practice to get used to. For several frames, practice standing in front of the ball return, figure out what works for your timing and all that.

For me, it works if I go from 4 steps to 3, and push away and start to let my ball drop before beginning my steps. So my sequence is:

* push away
* let ball start to drop
* step with left foot
* ball passes hip starts upswing
* short power step with right foot
* ball reaches top of swing, starts down
* slide step
* ball passes ankle

I've never had to use this in competition, but I do work in a few practice shots each time I'm out, just to make sure it's ingrained.
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#129579 - 06/08/10 03:18 PM Re: Help shooting the 5th and 6th arrows [Re: B-Hammer]
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What happens is it's difficult to hit the target I'm aiming because it feels like I'm too much on top of the target. So I either shoot it to far to the right, or pull it.

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#129584 - 06/08/10 07:50 PM Re: Help shooting the 5th and 6th arrows [Re: Revenator]
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What happens is it's difficult to hit the target I'm aiming because it feels like I'm too much on top of the target. So I either shoot it to far to the right, or pull it.


What works for me is to envision the ball rolling to the break point and developing a feel for the break point rather than focusing on the target at the arrows. To me the break point always seemed closer so either feeling it or aiming at it directly always seemed easier from inside.

As far as getting through the approach from in front of the ball return, I take the same number of steps in my head, but like Dan I only take 3 steps, but I visualize my first two steps and start the ball with an imaginary step of the right foot and drop the ball into the swing as I start the next step.

One other way to do it is to walk diagonally in front of the ball return and then turn and square yourself to the target line you want to play and extend down this line through the break point. If you bowl in an amf house this might be your only option since the ball returns in these houses tend to be closer to the foul line than in brunswicks.

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#129591 - 06/08/10 11:03 PM Re: Help shooting the 5th and 6th arrows [Re: CoachJim]
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Look up Ken Simard on YouTube. He made a show a few years ago and on the right hand lane, he was standing in front of the ball return. He started his ball in motion before moving his feet then got into his approach. Best example I can think of.
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#129597 - 06/09/10 02:35 AM Re: Help shooting the 5th and 6th arrows [Re: General Pounder]
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Thanks for the advice everyone, I'll try looking at the break point, and the 3 step, and I'll even try drifting left if those don't work.

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#129615 - 06/09/10 11:58 AM Re: Help shooting the 5th and 6th arrows [Re: Revenator]
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Tommy Jones at the US Open he won (2006?) did the same thing.
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#129628 - 06/09/10 05:20 PM Re: Help shooting the 5th and 6th arrows [Re: cgeorg]
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How about Robert Smith playing the seventh arrow and almost standing to the left of the ball return but still in front of it. Happened in the 2007 CLR Windy City Classic against Brad Angelo.



You can also see Angelo playing around the fifth arrow and he walks around the return.
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#129652 - 06/10/10 02:16 AM Re: Help shooting the 5th and 6th arrows [Re: Calvin Pistorio]
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Great video Calvin, loved watching it.
I worked on the 3 step today and I believe that is going to work for me. It never occured to me to do my other two steps in my head. But it works.
Thanks again everyone.


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