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#127799 - 05/15/10 09:05 PM Re: Switching Styles During Tournament [Re: aoiten]
Calvin Pistorio Offline
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If a youth switches from two handed to one handed, they have to start a new average. I think that part of the rule was there before the two two handed style of today. At the time it was originally written, it probably referred to the time when a much younger junior bowler no longer needed to throw the ball two handed and was able to step up to a more conventional release when they were a little older.

As for youths becoming pros that switch styles, very few pros switch styles. Sure they become versatile but using the same style changing hand positions, speed and so on. The only one I've seen that makes the drastic change, and it's mainly for certain spares, is Osku Palermaa. He does it to go hard and straight, much harder to do with the two handed style even with a plastic ball.
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#127808 - 05/15/10 10:25 PM Re: Switching Styles During Tournament [Re: Calvin Pistorio]
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Originally Posted By: Calvin Pistorio
If a youth switches from two handed to one handed, they have to start a new average. I think that part of the rule was there before the two two handed style of today. At the time it was originally written, it probably referred to the time when a much younger junior bowler no longer needed to throw the ball two handed and was able to step up to a more conventional release when they were a little older.

As for youths becoming pros that switch styles, very few pros switch styles. Sure they become versatile but using the same style changing hand positions, speed and so on. The only one I've seen that makes the drastic change, and it's mainly for certain spares, is Osku Palermaa. He does it to go hard and straight, much harder to do with the two handed style even with a plastic ball.


Ah, that theory makes sense. If the rule is as you say, it should be clarified. At the same time, for some people, switching from 2 hands to 1 hand might not be any more of a change than the usual changes that you mentioned. If those changes are accepted, why not accept occasional support from the non-dominant hand?


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#127830 - 05/16/10 02:06 AM Re: Switching Styles During Tournament [Re: aoiten]
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Anyone can switch from two handed to one handed providing they stick with the main hand. No warning needs to be given, no vote taken. USBC allows them to switch back and forth at will. Thank you Jason Belmonte!!!!

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#127847 - 05/16/10 09:48 AM Re: Switching Styles During Tournament [Re: Atochabsh]
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Originally Posted By: Atochabsh
Anyone can switch from two handed to one handed providing they stick with the main hand. No warning needs to be given, no vote taken. USBC allows them to switch back and forth at will. Thank you Jason Belmonte!!!!


Well, then it's back to the idea that it doesn't matter unless you are using a handicap, since a separate average needs to be established for each style. Also that adults are free to choose, but youths are not. I don't know...

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#128867 - 05/27/10 09:20 PM Re: Switching Styles During Tournament [Re: aoiten]
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Yeah, thanks, Belmo. (I like his 2-handed style the most.)

Well, I switched styles in the middle of the 3rd game during league and no one said anything. Actually, I got some applause from my team mates. heh My spinner was failing miserably so I went 2-handed with an old, abandoned reactive ball; shot a few strikes with it. (I think I figured out part of the spinner problem--need to relax the wrist.)

I will continue to switch styles at will unless an "official" problem develops. Even then I might continue or quit altogether. Be warned! hahaha It's just my style, however undeveloped it is.

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#128882 - 05/28/10 02:23 AM Re: Switching Styles During Tournament [Re: aoiten]
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Personally I think this whole two-handed, one-handed thing is a load of *insert your favorite explative*. I hardly see any one-handed bowlers, which by definition, well a common sense definition, is someone who only uses one hand/arm to bowl. I can think of only two people that do this. A friend of mine that bowls on Fridays and Scroggins (and he's a maybe). Every other bowler uses their other hand and arm to some degree hence making them a two-handed bowler. The only difference is that the other arm stays on the ball longer. I guess they had to call it something and Kamayamaya style was taken (and for those of you that don't know what the Kamayamaya Wave is, look up Dragon Ball Z and watch Goku fire it).

Switching from one style to the other being a problem shouldn't even be brought up because the only differences are the approach and that the thumb comes out. Now if they switch sides, and say start throwing lefty when they were throwing righty, I do have some issues with that, but other wise no.
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#128901 - 05/28/10 10:14 AM Re: Switching Styles During Tournament [Re: TheDemolitionMan]
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The "2-handed" approach is very much like the Kamehameha.

BTW, my league team is named after the Spirit Bomb.


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#128906 - 05/28/10 11:04 AM Re: Switching Styles During Tournament [Re: aoiten]
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Nice photos. I wonder if Jason and Osku know they are channeling Kamehameha.

Here is a question. Can a "one-handed" bowler switch from right-handed to left-handed during a scratch tournament? If not, what is the penalty?

The USBC rulebook suggests that league bowlers cannot switch hands while establishing an average. And if they do, the entire game is forfeited. Does this apply to tournaments as well? What if it is a scratch tournament?

I witnessed this in match play in a USBC sanctioned scratch tournament. After gaining a sufficient lead, the right-handed bowler said, "Enough balls have been rolled on the right side", and started rolling a plastic ball left-handed along the left side track area. I was the next bowler, and I am left-handed. I did not appreciate what he did, but was not sure if it was illegal, so I did not say anything.
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