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#125716 - 04/15/10 06:47 PM Re: Has been awhile ijohn83 practice (04-14-10) [Re: spr3wr]
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Originally Posted By: spr3wr
John, You need to learn to stop over throwing the ball. Here is a game you should play.This is done with your full approach Every time you hit the 1-3 pocket on your strike ball you move 3 boards left with your feet and 1 board left with target. Each time you move you need to slow the ball down a little to get the ball to hook into the pocket. Your goal should be to move 12-15 boards left and to keep your hand behind the ball.


All the drills & training games always sound fun to me. That one doesn't sound so fun to me. LOL! Does it work with only 180 revs on the ball? I'll print your instructions out and give it a go.

~John

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#125720 - 04/15/10 07:41 PM Re: Has been awhile ijohn83 practice (04-14-10) [Re: ijohn83]
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This will be easier to do if you stop standing up at the foul line while the ball is rolling towards the pins. After the ball has hit the pins then you can stand up.
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#125728 - 04/15/10 10:28 PM Re: Has been awhile ijohn83 practice (04-14-10) [Re: spr3wr]
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I have to agree with Time to Roll that you're not clearing your right leg...and thereby not clearing your hip. If you'd like to try something (got this from Ron Clifton's articles and several folks here), put a long piece of tape on the approach(I'd say masking tape like 3M Blue cause it's non-marking....with the lane folks permission of course), or even do this at home and just walk down the piece of tape until you get that 4th step onto the tape. That should give you the feel you need to kick the leg over when you slide. Once you do this, I think you'll gain leverage and the revs will go up too.

Visualization is another method that can help. Go to the line (this can also be done at home) and get into the finish position you'd like to see yourself in, ie: balanced with the right leg off to the left side of your body, left knee bent, torso over the left knee and left foot. Once you get that, you can adjust any way you need to....and believe me, from what I see you're not far off now:)
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#126018 - 04/20/10 07:20 AM Re: Has been awhile ijohn83 practice (04-14-10) [Re: ijohn83]
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what is that 500mp/h Slow down pal! slow down !When you do that foulline drill your fingers stay nicely under the ball.With that tempo the centrifugal force will uncup your wrist . Your armswing is forced and controlled .Just slow it down a few hundred miles and you will do fine! do some free armswings prior to your approach and listen to your free armswing ! I like your style and your attitude though!if i recorded your bowling and played it in halfspeed it would be great i think


Edited by Muggel (04/20/10 07:23 AM)

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#126021 - 04/20/10 10:25 AM Re: Has been awhile ijohn83 practice (04-14-10) [Re: Muggel]
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John, reading all the posts, I think Jack's idea of knowing how you will finish may be the key. Doing what ever it requires to finish like a pro. One thing that has helped me is to feel my right heel leads the right leg behind me. In order to finish right in perfect balance you will need to slow down, clear leg early,stay low and roll the ball from behind your ankle.Like Jack says your almost there. Another thing is to see your line and walk the tight rope toward your target. Keep us posted with your progress. Good luck.

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#126040 - 04/20/10 01:41 PM Re: Has been awhile ijohn83 practice (04-14-10) [Re: Time-To-Roll]
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Thanks all.
I am, also, concentrating on having the weight of the ball on the pad of my index finger towards the thumb side. Practice swings at home are feeling more comfortable. I also have been alternating games thumb in thumb out to get the feel. I am off today to practice spr's 3-1 left moves. I'll post how that goes.

~ John

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#126050 - 04/20/10 03:32 PM Re: Has been awhile ijohn83 practice (04-14-10) [Re: ijohn83]
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John, your problem is simple. Thanks for putting tape on the balls. That helps.

Count your revs by counting the tape revolutions in your normal roll. Then count them when you did the no thumb drill. You increased revs by 3 times.

That's your objective!! Keep your hand under the ball and it works.
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#126089 - 04/21/10 10:28 AM Re: Has been awhile ijohn83 practice (04-14-10) [Re: Dennis Michael]
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John,

i think your timing looks great until just before your last step.
then it seems you want to tear ur arm to the front increasing the speed of the swing and throwing your balance off a little at the foul line.

increasing the swing speed that much also forces your wrist to make a tough decision. Break back (and migrate to a less strong position) or break in half laugh

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#128279 - 05/20/10 08:52 AM Re: Has been awhile ijohn83 practice (04-14-10) [Re: ijohn83]
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Originally Posted By: ijohn83
Originally Posted By: sk8shorty01
You are going to have to live at that foul line until you can train your arm to let the ball fall all the way through the swing.

I know this to be true.



This is with no thumb until 1:33 working on strong wrist inside & under. When the thumb goes in @ 1:33 I dump the wrist like SpareMe was saying.

~ John



Keep doing the no-thumb drills... that is the feel of "unloading" that you are looking to duplicate with the thumb in. Alternate back and forth until you can get the same feel/reaction with thumb in or out.

Then comes the tricky part for you. Maintaining that unload release with your full approach. I get the distinct feeling that you rather enjoy destroying the pins with your high speed down and in shot. grin

And, it's not about your right hip, or which way your left arm points, or your timing, or your plaid shorts... it's about what your hand is doing at the point of release. sk8 is right on about pulling down on the ball, that's where it starts to go wrong. Let it fall. Let it fall, then unload the wrist/hand after it goes past your ankle. You'll have to focus solely on your wrist and hand... let it fall... unload... let it fall... unload. If you can arrange it with the center so that you can shadow bowl with no pins, that, I think would be helpful for you.

Keep doing the foul line drill until you can unload it with your thumb in the ball.

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#128315 - 05/20/10 06:52 PM Re: Has been awhile ijohn83 practice (04-14-10) [Re: trekguy]
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This is not any form of advice, I just wanted to comment that I have been following your practice videos since you started posting them I believe. And I am very impressed with your growth and work ethic unlike I had been doing with practicing something a few times and thinking foolishly I fixed my problem and moved on you continue to focus on your issues.

I have now decided to do the same keep up the good work you are inspiring me if nothing else.

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