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#125334 - 04/12/10 04:18 PM Pro n Cons of 9 Pin Leagues
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I want to continue bowling this summer just to keep my game sharp for the fall....Bad thing is, all the bowling centers in my immediate area (only 4) are either offering PBAX Leagues or 9 Pin leagues no standard or competitive leagues. I'm not good enough for a PBAX League and I am afraid a 9 Pin League will throw my single pin spare game off come fall (primarly 10 pin conversions, my trouble spot, my 7 pin conversion rate is much much better now) I know I won't practice a lot this summer because I am an avid fisherman and golfer due to our short summers in Michigan and any chance I get I'll be out golfing or on the boat....

Any thoughts? I am sure most of you will say to try and practice but has anyone ever picked up bad habits from a 9 Pin league?

I know it sounds like a dumb question but I am curious.

Thanks in advance!


Edited by Hooker (04/12/10 04:20 PM)
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#125336 - 04/12/10 04:34 PM Re: Pro n Cons of 9 Pin Leagues [Re: Hooker]
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I wouldn't look at it in the aspect of pros and cons in doing a league like that...look at it in the aspect of fine tuning your strike game....kinda watch and study the entry of your ball into the pocket and try to figure out you did to leave the 10 pin, if/when you leave one...and if you need to, stay after league and bowl a game shooting nothing but 7's and 10's that way you keep sharp on your corner pins
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#125341 - 04/12/10 05:40 PM Re: Pro n Cons of 9 Pin Leagues [Re: VampyreBowler]
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A 9 Pin No-Tap league can help to loosen you up and make you more confident in your strike shot. Sure you might not get a natural strike every shot but you don't have the frustration of having to pick up the spare if you leave a single pin and can still make the adjustment to try for a real strike. Like Vamp said, stay after and bowl a game of 7s and 10s if you fell like you need the practice. Of course you could also just go practice other times as well. I was born in Detroit, and lived there for my first 10 years of my life and I don't remember the summers being that short.
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#125366 - 04/13/10 12:00 AM Re: Pro n Cons of 9 Pin Leagues [Re: Calvin Pistorio]
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Hooker. I am in a similar situation. During the summer, I really can only bowl Sunday nights. My stepdaughter and her boyfriend want to bowl on a team with my wife and I, and really the only league available is 9 pin no tap. I am going for it. Screw it.. It is good fun, will help me stay loose until leagues next year, and as Calvin and Vamp said, I can always practice one pin spares on my own time. Also, it will help me stay loose until our trip to Reno/Nationals in June. I say go for it. Should be fun, and keep you in tune for next fall.

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#125370 - 04/13/10 02:21 AM Re: Pro n Cons of 9 Pin Leagues [Re: Vic44]
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Hooker, I wouldn't worry too much about the single pin spare game. A game of practice a week will help with that or at least help you remember how to do it.

I'd look at either league as a chance to improve your lane reading abilities. Moreso in the No tap league if you aren't confident enough in your game to join a PBAX league. You can work on adjusting better to keep the ball in the pocket and get strikes in the No tap league a lot easier. Additionally, who doesn't want to confidence of going into the Fall Season with a 240+ average? It'll be more fun anyways.
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#125398 - 04/13/10 08:47 AM Re: Pro n Cons of 9 Pin Leagues [Re: TheDemolitionMan]
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Thanks for all the input! I was planning of joining the league regardless, just to stay sharp for the fall, but didn;t want to get into bad habits with my single pin spare game. I can always throw a game or 2 before or after league.

Calvin: Michigan summers have been weird the last 5 years. We get really only 2 - 2 1/2 months of good summer weather. I am a Lake Michigan fisherman and April/May/Early June/Sept/October we see big winds on Lake Michigan from the NNW that can really cut your fishing days down to only a couple times a week. Plus I own a Hunting and Fishing Outfitter business and my busy months are April - October so sometimes my plate is really full between work, golf, bowling, family etc.... It might sound weird but sometimes making it to the lanes can be difficult...Winter time its much easier to bowl more because less is going on for me.

I've come such a long way with my game since I began bowling in the fall of 2008 and really feel that this upcoming fall season I don't see why I can't carry an average in the 180s-190s (my last 24 games this season I am averaging right around 188) I wish now I could bowl more but I just can't at this time.

Its true, it would be kinda fun to carry a higher average in a 9 pin league. I have had success in 9 pin tournaments before and I agree it was a big confidence booster. The nice thing about it now versus when I started bowling is that when its 9 pin, I have more natural strikes now and less 9 pin strikes, even a couple 300 9 pin games smile LOL!!!!
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#125408 - 04/13/10 10:03 AM Re: Pro n Cons of 9 Pin Leagues [Re: Hooker]
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For improvement with your game, I would suggest the PBAX over the 9-pin. But, that comes with instruction on how to read the lanes, how to adjust your release, and control your speed. Without that instruction, PBAX could hurt your game.

9-pin should be a fun league, without much pressure. But, can cause you to swing the ball too much, especially on light oil, which it tends to be.

Either go for challenge or fun.
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#125409 - 04/13/10 10:16 AM Re: Pro n Cons of 9 Pin Leagues [Re: Dennis Michael]
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Originally Posted By: Dennis Michael
For improvement with your game, I would suggest the PBAX over the 9-pin. But, that comes with instruction on how to read the lanes, how to adjust your release, and control your speed. Without that instruction, PBAX could hurt your game.

9-pin should be a fun league, without much pressure. But, can cause you to swing the ball too much, especially on light oil, which it tends to be.

Either go for challenge or fun.


I tampered with the idea of bowling in a PBAX league and started a topic about it. Most of the replies I got said it could really create bad habits for me and most suggested I wait until I am averaging around 200 on a THS before I go that route. Because I am still improving my game and haven't really plateaued yet, it could screw me up is what I was told. I did however bowl on the Shark and Cheetah patterns 2 weeks ago. A friend of mine knew a center that, for a few extra bucks, would lay the patterns out for us.....Needless to say I struggled on Shark with my best game being 172, but did well on Cheetah (which is a easier, faster scoring pattern) with a best of 212. That day on Shark I was anywhere in between 130-172, Cheetah I was 167-212 range.


Edited by Hooker (04/13/10 10:18 AM)
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#125412 - 04/13/10 10:31 AM Re: Pro n Cons of 9 Pin Leagues [Re: Hooker]
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Then, you have already seen the wide disparity of scores on PBA patterns. The key is to learn how to roll, and not force your game. Your ball will do different things on each pattern.

For most at your level, PBAX is NOT fun, but frustrating. My first one was. By the third time around, I enjoyed the challenge, since I was better able to read, adjust, and learn. My biggest improvement here was in spare shooting.

Never really liked the 9-pin myself, as it was too unrealistic, as compared to regular bowling. But, I sure would like the 260 average I carried in that league, as compared to my PBAX average. This did nothing for spare shooting.

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#125421 - 04/13/10 11:07 AM Re: Pro n Cons of 9 Pin Leagues [Re: Dennis Michael]
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I sounds like a PBAX league is for you then if you are so concerned about your spare game losing its edge, and making overall improvements. I would try to find a PBAX league that is instructed so that way when you are having trouble let's say on the Shark or Chameleon you can ask for some help and figure out how to fill frames. And that is what PBAX is all about, filling frames. Hit the pocket and take them all down or leave yourself a reasonable spare.
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