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#123827 - 03/28/10 06:48 PM Ringing 10 Pin Help?
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I've been having a problem lately leaving ringing 10 pins. This has been getting worse and I found out today lane conditions don't seem to be an attributing factor as much as I thought it did. My centers THS is 39' light oil Christmas Tree type pattern, another center I bowl at is a 40' THS, fairly flat, and today I had the USBC Nationals pattern and the Viper pattern laid down side by side and was leaving ringing 10 pins on both patterns with different balls.

I've moved every where on the lanes that I can play from straight to deep inside, using various equipment and regardless of where I am playing or what ball I'm using there comes a point if I'm in the pocket I can guarantee the 10 pin will be left standing. I know it's something I am doing wrong. The other night in league I left 8 10 pins in a row using three different balls!!!!!!! The ONLY positive is I'm getting a lot of 10 pin practice.......LOL

If someone here can give me an idea of what you do to combat this situation I would greatly appreciate it!



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#123829 - 03/28/10 06:57 PM Re: Ringing 10 Pin Help? [Re: One Pin Standing]
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Do you try different finger positions? If not how do you normally set the fingers.

I know I usually start a league session out with my index and pinkie both spread out. If I start leaving ringing 10s I will either make a small move inside or bring the pinkie in against the ring finger. Those usually work if I execute. You might need to bring the speed down a bit as well and the ball might face up in the pocket better.
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#123831 - 03/28/10 07:01 PM Re: Ringing 10 Pin Help? [Re: One Pin Standing]
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If I were you I would first change the name from :
One pin standing - to - No pin standing (lol)

now to be serious:
the way you describe it, looks like carry issue or mental issue.

When I am having this problem, usually I know where it comes from and I try fix it the next shot.
90% of the cases for me is "Non perfect pocket"
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#123833 - 03/28/10 07:09 PM Re: Ringing 10 Pin Help? [Re: Calvin Pistorio]
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Originally Posted By: Calvin Pistorio
Do you try different finger positions? If not how do you normally set the fingers.


My normal finger position is with my pinkie finger against my ring finger. Thanks for the advise. To be 100% honest that is something that I have not given a lot of thought to.
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#123835 - 03/28/10 07:16 PM Re: Ringing 10 Pin Help? [Re: Vini]
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Originally Posted By: Vini
If I were you I would first change the name from :
One pin standing - to - No pin standing (lol)

now to be serious:
the way you describe it, looks like carry issue or mental issue.


I agree with the name change!!!! LOL!! Maybe that is part of the problem as well??

I think you are right on both counts. A carry issue coupled with a mental issue. It's like quicksand to me in a way. The more I struggle with it the deeper I get.
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#123849 - 03/28/10 09:33 PM Re: Ringing 10 Pin Help? [Re: One Pin Standing]
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Are you sure it's a ringing 10? Ringing 10 is when the 6 pin dances around the 10 pin. The other is called a dead 10, where the 6 pin just lays in the gutter.
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#123870 - 03/29/10 12:14 AM Re: Ringing 10 Pin Help? [Re: ecub]
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I would try these three things in successive frames until one of them worked:
1 - move left half a board (for righty) (a small parallel move to the left could substitute for the half-board move)
2 - take a little off the ball (either revs or axis - take some hook off the shot)
3 - speed up the shot .5 mph (but only if this will reduce the amount of hook. If it doesn't then the 6 pin will simply fly faster around the ten pin.)

Just keep in mind that you're making a good shot, or you wouldn't have this problem, so try small changes, not big changes or ball changes (IMHO). In other words, keep doing what you're doing, with only minor changes.

I'm pretty sure the above would work, as the ball is entering the pocket at too steep an angle. With the high speed/revs you're putting on it, the 6 pin flies around the ten instead of banking off the side board.

A weak ten would be exactly the opposite adjustments:

1 - move right half a board (a small parallel move to the right could substitute for the half-board move)
2 - put some more oomph on the ball (either revs or axis - put some more hook into the shot)
3 - slow down the shot .5 mph (assuming your shot is not rolling out. If it's rolling out, don't do this adjustment. Instead, consider a ball change to something that will get to the breakpoint)


Note that, for a weak ten, the shot is good, in the pocket, so small changes are called for, not giant changes. In fact, most folks will have enough variation in their shots that I recommend to just keep doing what they're doing, don't change a thing.



Edited by SpareMe (03/29/10 12:43 AM)
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#123890 - 03/29/10 11:21 AM Re: Ringing 10 Pin Help? [Re: 10PinGaloot]
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There are several things you can do really... Hand adjustments sometimes work with 10 pin issues. Though usually a slight adjustment with your feet, or with your aiming point do the trick. I usually move forward an inch or so if I'm leaving ringing 10's. If I'm leaving flat 10's I'll usually move back a little bit. If that doesn't work then I'll aim about a foot or so past the arrows.
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#123891 - 03/29/10 11:22 AM Re: Ringing 10 Pin Help? [Re: 10PinGaloot]
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I will also add that just because you do not see the 10 pin laying in the gutter does not mean it was not a flat (or weak) 10. If the pin hits the side wall and then bounces back and forth in the gutter and ends up in the pit it would still be considered flat or weak. This is because the pin was so low on the wall that it was not able to clear the gutter and just gets caught in it.

Make sure the 6 pin is going up and around the neck of the pin to be sure its a ringing 10. The adjustments are different for each of the two types of leaves so its important you are sure.
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#124200 - 03/31/10 10:38 PM Re: Ringing 10 Pin Help? [Re: sk8shorty01]
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Thanks for the advise everyone. I was able to make some adjustments tonight and punched out a 735. I got with my coach prior to league tonight and he worked with me and found the root of my problem. Just a simple move along with a reduction of speed got it fixed.
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