This is not a new "trick". but if you don't want to try it or don't believe it then that's it. So what?

Moving forward and back on the approach is also a optional adjustment. Funny that you seen totally unaccepting that there might be others out there that you have not heard of before.

You can not believe me. I don't really care. But its worked for everyone I've described it to, except you it seems. And I'm not really convinced that you even tried it. So I guess one exception is not bad.

I already explained to you WHY you might prefer this adjustment. You are being stubborn.

When someone hands you a pearl you don't take it no questions asked to explore later? One of my co students once told me, when confronted with a difficult teacher..... "Just be a sponge, and accept the knowledge", "you might use it later". But you are fighting it. Arguing against it even. Why?

You are being very stubborn and very closed minded. "Be a Sponge" It does't cost you anything to soak it up. And some day a 1000 beams of light might meet.

Erin

I cannot control how you wish to perceive my posts. Being a teacher myself I know its difficult when somebody questions what you say. Its real easy to read things into it, and get defensive.

Its called managing your breakpoint. That's how I bowl 100% of the time.

I think this is the same as what CoachJim told me in a post.
Well he said:
Since you are a lefty, later on you will control to move your breakpoint up and down the same boards without moving your feet left / right. SO I wouldn't have to leave my comfort zone.

In the spirit of intellectual pursuit of enlightenment on an important topic.....



I've done the latter. I'm pretty sure that when I do, I hold onto the ball longer. Could it be that the former consists of letting go of the ball sooner?

The "projecting" worked really well for me at least on one occasion. I was throwing deep inside, and the ball kept breaking at about the 12 board. I wanted it to go over to 8 and break there, so I "projected" it, and got the ball out to 8. I think I might have thrown it faster as well as holding onto it longer. Let me rephrase that - I released it later in my swing. I tried not to alter my release in any way. I'm not sure, but I think that I left the same axis rotation on it, although the revs might have been altered one way or the other.

The physics of this are of interest to me. What physical changes to the ball's roll will change the breakpoint?

My guesses:
1 - slower shot breaks earlier, faster skids farther
2 - if the ball contacts the lane sooner (Per your statement) it breaks sooner (confirmed by Maximum Bob's famous loft in TV finals)
3 - more/less axis rotation moves the breakpoint (but that would affect the eventual target, so it would seem is not advised)
4 - more axis tilt has a longer, more arcing breakpoint, but I'm not sure if it breaks later....

So those are the 4 things I can think of that will change the path of a shot, given that it's thrown in the same direction from the same spot.

However, as I said in my example, the key seems to be where in the swing the ball is released - sooner = shorter distance to breakpoint; later leads to longer distance to breakpoint.

All the above is just my attempt to work this out in terms that are intellectually solid and relate to my very literal mind sense.

Hello? DD did you scare Atochabsh away???
Can any of the coaches respond to my question in the post above?

I'll go back farther then 30 years ago, when the lanes were slick all the way down. At that time we were taught to get the ball into a roll as early as possible. rolling right off your hand was the best release.

In today's world, the concept is slide-hook-roll. With hook being your breakpoint, projecting the ball a little farther down the lane is lengthening the slide segment of your ball arc, delaying the breakpoint farther downlane. This gives you a delayed reaction of the hook.

Spare me, you said:

My guesses:
1 - slower shot breaks earlier, faster skids farther
2 - if the ball contacts the lane sooner (Per your statement) it breaks sooner (confirmed by Maximum Bob's famous loft in TV finals)
3 - more/less axis rotation moves the breakpoint (but that would affect the eventual target, so it would seem is not advised)
4 - more axis tilt has a longer, more arcing breakpoint, but I'm not sure if it breaks later....

My take:
1 - Slower speed will allow the ball to gain friction quicker without much slide.
2 - Contact is not the only thing. But, increasing the slide portion of the ball arc will delay the hook.
3 - Don't really think rotation will affect breakpoint but rather, what the ball does at the hook or breakpoint. It will affect the angle and length of the hook.
4 - Yes and no. It's more that the tilt will affect the hook and roll phase and whether the ball arcs or snaps.