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#112260 - 01/04/10 10:38 PM Re: Intro to League Bowling [Re: HughScot]
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Originally Posted By: hughscot
If I was running the USBC I would come out with a brochure explaining league bowling.

I've seen some bowling center websites that have just such a brochure of their own online. I think more people would actually bowl in leagues if they knew how intimidating it ISN'T. Just last season one of the teams on our league had a bowler with an 80 average. House ball and house shoes. Ouch, but hey, it's a warm body.

More short season leagues as well as more doubles and trios leagues might also help. Note that you could always put four doubles on a pair in order to not "waste" lanes. Keeping 2-3 people together as a team for 16 weeks is a lot easier than keeping 4-5 people together for 38 weeks.

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#112264 - 01/04/10 11:02 PM Re: Intro to League Bowling [Re: Atochabsh]
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Originally Posted By: Atochabsh
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True, much of it goes into the prize pot, but I'm sure a lot of it still goes to the bowling center.


Most centers price their league lineage by "time of day". 6 to 7pm during the week being the most costly. Second shift leagues usually get a lesser fee for lineage and Seniors during the day and ladies during the morning are even less.


The lineage at the center for Thursday nights is $5 or $5.50/game (not sure) so I guess I can now imagine why the league costs so much.

BTW, it's a trios league, not a 4-person league. My bad.

Don't they usually give discounts for league members, though?

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#112266 - 01/04/10 11:08 PM Re: Intro to League Bowling [Re: Calvin Pistorio]
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Originally Posted By: Calvin Pistorio
Like Vampyre mentioned, most centers don't care about the league bowlers. They can make more off of open play, that is if they get enough people coming in and bowling. There are even some centers that have opened in recent years that don't allow any leagues and charge per an hour for one lane. They also expect to make more money off the the bar and snack bar from open play bowlers.

All too true. The center in which my Sunday-night league bowls is much like this. I was trying to track down some information recently on PBA Hall of Famer Mike McGrath. In the process, I found that for several years he used to manage the only bowling center remaining in San Francisco. It doesn't have any leagues and doesn't want them.

Originally Posted By: Calvin Pistorio
There are some centers out there that go against the norm though and treat league bowlers very well and the center managers try to help the leagues grow and will try to even recruit leagues from other centers.

Fortunately, the center at which I bowl my Wednesday-night league and the vast majority of my practice sessions is like this. It's known around here as a bowlers' bowling center as opposed to having the more general entertainment base. Hell, the center where I bowl Sunday nights doesn't have a Pro Shop. They have a White Dot, a Maxim and a T-Zone on the wall behind the cash register w/price tags on them.
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#112482 - 01/06/10 10:07 AM Re: Intro to League Bowling [Re: JackZ]
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Originally Posted By: JackZ
Most league bowling is a vanishing minority these days. Most folks don't like the idea of having to spend mega-bucks to be competitive. Before the days of auto-scoring and synthetic lanes you owned 1...maybe 2 balls and worked with that. Now, it seems that if you want to compete you have to have an arsenal. It's become a game for people who have a higher income and the average person gets left out in the cold. Of course the lanes would prefer open bowlers. They don't spend their money on equipment...they spend it in the bar, the snack bar, and the lanes.


Bowling has always been know as a "blue collar" sport due to the low cost. If you think bowling is getting expensive try golf. I've played golf for over 40 years and the amount of money spent by the average golfer per year is substantial....thousands of dollars. Bowling is still a very inexpensive sport. There is a "little ole lady" who bowls in my seniors league who has been using the same ball for 12 years and has a 157 average. That's an extreme but you can buy an excellent ball, drilled for $200 or less. I know everyone wants to have an "arsenal" but I'm not sure it is really necessary. Personally, I can see me using my current ball for spares and one new ball for everything else. I know, I'm naive and a beginner.
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#112496 - 01/06/10 11:43 AM Re: Intro to League Bowling [Re: JackZ]
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the house that holds my leagues is wonderful. they treat their bowlers very well. i started in a summer league and one of the perks of that was 50 cent per game till labor day. for xmas the owner ordered a bunch of pizzas and gave them to the leagues. also if your a league bowler games are only 1.79 during open bowling. houses around my area are trying to fill their respective leagues.
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#112506 - 01/06/10 12:38 PM Re: Intro to League Bowling [Re: mtg712]
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Yeah, I understand your issue, but I guess it's also up to the individual who joins the league. I would have to assume that when you join a league, you're expected to know the rules. But if you don't, you can probably ask. Like for a sanctioned league, our secretary will give the USBC rule book. For a non sanctioned league, our house will usually give a sheet, which contains info on subs, how the handicap is rated, etc. The individual is still supposed to know the general rules.

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#112512 - 01/06/10 01:15 PM Re: Intro to League Bowling [Re: mtg712]
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I agree with you Hugh that bowling is definitely cheaper than golf. And you are partially right in that you can get away with a ball for spares and a ball for your strikes because it is a house shot. Because house shots are built to induce high scores a single ball will typically work well in any house on any house shot as long as you are getting something middle of the road that is not going to be to aggressive. The issues arise when you get into the sport shot and competitive world where every shot has a different volume, substantially different lengths and different shapes. This is where the right ball on the right condition comes into play. Without an arsenal you are just hoping that your tool (ball) will match the job (lanes).

You can use a hammer to drive a screw but its not as effective.
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#112518 - 01/06/10 01:41 PM Re: Intro to League Bowling [Re: mtg712]
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Originally Posted By: mtg712
the house that holds my leagues is wonderful. they treat their bowlers very well. i started in a summer league and one of the perks of that was 50 cent per game till labor day. for xmas the owner ordered a bunch of pizzas and gave them to the leagues. also if your a league bowler games are only 1.79 during open bowling. houses around my area are trying to fill their respective leagues.


It must be a Michigan thing being that the State has the most sanctioned bowlers in the country. My house treats us very well too, offering all the perks that mtg712 enjoys at his house. They do not want to lose any leagues and they go out of their way to make it enjoyable for us. Heck I can walk in to practice and if the lanes have not been oiled yet, they will oil a pair just for me. I still believe that ALL centers need leagues to anchor their bussiness, and can't live on open bowling alone.


Edited by Tim Gerard (01/06/10 01:43 PM)
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#112522 - 01/06/10 02:01 PM Re: Intro to League Bowling [Re: Tim Gerard]
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Originally Posted By: Tim Gerard
Originally Posted By: mtg712
the house that holds my leagues is wonderful. they treat their bowlers very well. i started in a summer league and one of the perks of that was 50 cent per game till labor day. for xmas the owner ordered a bunch of pizzas and gave them to the leagues. also if your a league bowler games are only 1.79 during open bowling. houses around my area are trying to fill their respective leagues.


It must be a Michigan thing being that the State has the most sanctioned bowlers in the country. My house treats us very well too, offering all the perks that mtg712 enjoys at his house. They do not want to lose any leagues and they go out of their way to make it enjoyable for us. Heck I can walk in to practice and if the lanes have not been oiled yet, they will oil a pair just for me. I still believe that ALL centers need leagues to anchor their bussiness, and can't live on open bowling alone.


what portion of mi are you located.
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#112527 - 01/06/10 02:35 PM Re: Intro to League Bowling [Re: mtg712]
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mtg712,
I live in Shelby Twsp., not far from Waterford.
I bowl at Troy Lanes in Troy


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