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#110364 - 12/16/09 06:15 PM Well... Here is an updated Video - ijohn83
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Here is a mix of today's practice.



I am working on getting the wrist to work independent of the forearm at home into the chair cushion.

I still run into equator & meridian problems when I start moving from the foul line.

I think my swing plane is better.

…trying to post at the foul line until ball hits pins.
…trying to "c-o-c-k"/ un-"c-o-c-k" at release (not even thinking "cup"/ un-"cup")
…need front leg to bend or something.
…didn't even think of balance arm.

Long way to go, but slowly getting better?

~ John

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#110366 - 12/16/09 06:56 PM Re: Well... Here is an updated Video - ijohn83 [Re: ijohn83]
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I love how you took practice in small steps.from rolling the ball at home to kneeling down on the lane and slowling moving up to standing position.great idea and your release looks pretty good to me.
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#110368 - 12/16/09 07:15 PM Re: Well... Here is an updated Video - ijohn83 [Re: FTW_GG]
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Thanks FT. I should stop at one step until I get that right, but I don't.

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#110370 - 12/16/09 07:43 PM Re: Well... Here is an updated Video - ijohn83 [Re: ijohn83]
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I'm impressed. Just keep working your plan. It seems to be a good one.
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#110373 - 12/16/09 07:54 PM Re: Well... Here is an updated Video - ijohn83 [Re: ijohn83]
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Try doing the drill between shots and you might get the feel of it quicker. I like your spare shooting toward the end of the clip, very assertive, no doubt about where the ball was going when it left your hand.

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#110375 - 12/16/09 08:10 PM Re: Well... Here is an updated Video - ijohn83 [Re: CoachJim]
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For what it's worth, it looks like your hand position on your spares(at least the washout and 10 pin near the end) is very good for a strike ball release. I noticed the early turn on your strike ball but not on the spare shot, which is what I think you should try to repeat for strikes.

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#110387 - 12/16/09 10:03 PM Re: Well... Here is an updated Video - ijohn83 [Re: Jay R.]
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IJohn, I am right there with you, working on a lot of stuff at home. I can not give good advice but just wanted to let you know you have inspired me.

I am a pretty shy person and I go to the alley a lot with the intention of doing the drills you are doing, I do them once or twice and then feel really uncomfortable thinking everyone in the house is starring at me so stop and just bowl normal.

After witnessing for myself the giant steps you are taking with these methods I am determined to follow through with it! So thank you for the inspiration.
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#110389 - 12/16/09 10:17 PM Re: Well... Here is an updated Video - ijohn83 [Re: Jay R.]
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The shot at 0:40 was good.

Once you added the one step, you started pulling the ball through in the downswing, causing you to turn early.

The shot at 3:05ish shows it very well - your hand is in the perfect position at the top of the swing, but instead of letting the ball pull your hand down, you pull the ball down with your hand.
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#110399 - 12/17/09 12:13 AM Re: Well... Here is an updated Video - ijohn83 [Re: Jay R.]
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For what it's worth, it looks like your hand position on your spares(at least the washout and 10 pin near the end) is very good for a strike ball release. I noticed the early turn on your strike ball but not on the spare shot, which is what I think you should try to repeat for strikes.


Saw that too. John, what is your mindset on the spare ball? Are you trying to stay behind it, and come straight through, with no turn? Or are you just letting it go, knowing that the plastic ball isn't going to do anything anyway?

I ask,because when I started the relearning process, my very first goal was get the load/unload part down. I decided to keep my hand behind and under the ball, and snap straight through. No turn. Granted, this did not result in much hook, but it kept me from early turning, and showed the rev potential in that technique.

After getting the feel of the snap, you can then incorporate some turn. Some more good advice from this site, from sk8shorty, stating that if you start inside... at say fingers at 7:00...you actually snap the ball pretty much straight up the back.... still getting 10 degrees or so of rotation.

Try unloading/snapping the ball and keeping your palm facing up right through to post up and pinfall. No turn at all. I think this is the key for you... you need to get your arm/wrist/hand to recognize what that position feels like to break the early turn thing. You can add rotation later.

Another tip that helped me was to think about following through towards the pins, and NOT the ceiling. It allows a more natural roll off of your hand, and makes it less likely that you will hit UP on the ball. This applies to the couch drill as well. Snap the ball, and follow through towards the cushions, and NOT the ceiling. Good luck!



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#110423 - 12/17/09 07:00 AM Re: Well... Here is an updated Video - ijohn83 [Re: trekguy]
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Hi John,

I have been doing myself some of the "Wes Malot" release.

Just like you :
First home than sitting at the foul line than half approach.

One thing that helped me a lot regarding cupping my hand and keeping it cupped. I am not sure if it will help you but give it a try. I will try to explain best as I can.

In your stance, when you are holding the ball in your palm,
try to lift the tip of your middle & ring finger toward your face and fix them in this position.
To do this you (your body) will activate a muscle in your forearm.

If you do it correctly, you will feel some light pressure or pain in the forearm muscles, while you move your arm back and forth.

The idea is: If you can concentrate on this muscle being activated (which forces the top of the finger to be up) your hand will be cupped all the way. At the release point just deactivate this muscle and let go.


It is very hard to do this excercise with the ball on the floor.
My best results came when trying on the lanes.

Actually I came to this idea while trying to feel the ball in my palm while delivering.

Also if you accept my humble advise.
When you release the ball, you are lifting it.
I do the same thing, that's why when I saw the video, I was saying to myself "just like me"
Problem with lift is that - it is difficult to repeat the same way.

Now when I release I really deactivate the muscle in my forearm which un-cups my wrist and make a rotation till my finger are exactly behind the ball and let go.

First time I saw my ball reaction, I thought:
This is how the pros do it !

The ball went dead straight till breakpoint than it was sucked by the pocket.

Hope this helps !
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