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#105535 - 10/17/09 10:46 PM Criticisms are most welcome (Constructive that is)
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#105539 - 10/17/09 11:49 PM Re: Criticisms are most welcome (Constructive that is) [Re: 123seeyah]
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My philosophy is whatever works, so I'll just tell you two things that you do that I don't do, and if you like doing it that way, whatever.

1 - I hold the elbow right beside my body, not out in front. I hold it with the elbow bent 90* and with the ball's weight entirely in the non-throwing hand. I think this keeps my balance better. Fans of the hinge would also say to hold the ball closer, I believe. The good new is taht you appear to hold the ball in the swing path (No video from behind so I can't say for sure).

2 - My first 2 steps are shorter than my last 3 steps. I don't know why that would be important. the reason I do it (probably not the reason a coach would give) is that it gives my swing more power on the forward going side - the downswing? foreswing?. In other words it goes up in the backswing slower than it falls forward in the forward swing, without my having to do anything with my arm muscles.

Can't tell much about your release or follow-through due to blurring.

One more thing:
3 - In my stance, the two feet are closer together. The slide foot is closer to the foul lines, as is yours, but only a little bit, not a foot and a half closer. For "power" strokes, my right foot's arch is at my slide foot's heel and slightly angled towards the right, just because it seems to get me where I'm going better. Come to think of it, I do that for all my strokes. It started on power strokes, though, and seems to have migrated to all my releases. Hmmm. Is that a bad habit?

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#105544 - 10/18/09 02:23 AM Re: Criticisms are most welcome (Constructive that is) [Re: 123seeyah]
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The elbow thing that SpareMe mentioned is a good one. Next I would say, get as much of the ball's weight into your opposite hand. Bowl with the left arm and let your right arm take all the credit. Without, a view from the back, it looks like you pull the ball down into your swing.

After that, it looks like the only thing that really stood out to me is that you are about 2-3 feet away from the foul line. Try either moving up a bit or put your heels on the foul line and take 5 normal steps back towards the seatee area and then add about 4-6 inches to that. The other little thing that stood out to me is that your slide foot is off to the side and not straight ahead.

Footwork looks good. Can't really comment on your swing plane, hand position or release without a shot from behind.

Hope that helps.
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#105546 - 10/18/09 05:35 AM Re: Criticisms are most welcome (Constructive that is) [Re: 123seeyah]
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The best advice I can give you is to go to the foul line, turn around with your back to the pins and take 5 normal walking pace steps back toward the dots. You want to walk to the foul line in your approach the same way you would just walking down the street. Look at your steps, nobody walks down the street that way.

Fix this, then post another vid from the side and one from behind to check your swing.

I also agree with keeping the ball in closer to your body in the setup, so incorporate that as well.

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#105631 - 10/19/09 11:34 AM Re: Criticisms are most welcome (Constructive that is) [Re: CoachJim]
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I will agree with the above and will also say you should really try to shorten up your first couple of steps. The last two are fine but the first 3 are really long and causes a lot of extra movement but with the movement you are losing power. Your first two steps should be short, a foot and a half long at most, yours are probably closer to three feet. You want to take small steps so that your body can compress and store energy for the slide at the end. Right now you are using the slide to stop all of your momemntum because you are taking such long strides, the slide should be used as an "explosion" of momentum into the line, supplying the ball with power and adding power to your approach, not slowing you down and removing said power.

Nothing overly bad, just a few little tweaks I would make if it were my own game. Good luck!
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#105663 - 10/19/09 07:07 PM Re: Criticisms are most welcome (Constructive that is) [Re: sk8shorty01]
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Thank you for all the comments. I will certainly incorporate these to my game and will update my video soon smile
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#105871 - 10/21/09 10:19 PM Re: Criticisms are most welcome (Constructive that is) [Re: 123seeyah]
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I can't criticize anyone, but I notice that you use five steps. You stand with your right food behind your left and then begin by taking a long first step with your left foot. This appears awkward to me. So I agree with others on starting out with small steps or else go to a four step approach.
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#105916 - 10/22/09 01:28 PM Re: Criticisms are most welcome (Constructive that is) [Re: HughScot]
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hugh,
I start similar to how he does, although my feet are not as far apart front to back. The toes of my right foot are in line with the arch of my left foot in most cases. You are correct that the first few steps are very long.
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#105929 - 10/22/09 08:11 PM Re: Criticisms are most welcome (Constructive that is) [Re: sk8shorty01]
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I agree with every one on your first two steps. To fix it the first thing you should is move your left foot back so it's right next to your right foot. You could even move it a couple inches in the other direction. Your first step is supposed to be a very small step to get you going. You should step a tad farther than where your foot is at your starting position. Your second step isn't going to be as short, but you still need to shorten it. It should feel like you're hardly moving your feet at all when you first start doing it.
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#106128 - 10/25/09 09:00 AM Re: Criticisms are most welcome (Constructive that [Re: mikhial66]
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Updated videos

Taken 25-Oct-09

Side view


Back view

I incorporated the things some commented here:

1. Stance
2. Not being upright on shots
3. More relax swing/grip

unless another problem arises while on the process of solving previous issues. kindly comment smile thanks


Edited by 123seeyah (10/25/09 09:01 AM)
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