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#105516 - 10/17/09 06:22 PM Updated ijohn83 Video (10-17-09)
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I am still having a devil of a time getting below the equator with the fingers; let alone starting inside the Prime Meridian at the begining of my release.



I think my swing plane is better.

I still want my power step shorter & more in front of my left foot.

... and I still have my problematic release!


~ John

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#105527 - 10/17/09 09:29 PM Re: Updated ijohn83 Video (10-17-09) [Re: ijohn83]
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Learn to slide longer. Step back a foot and take your normal steps 1-4, you should have a foot longer to slide. then take another foot back and again learn slide to the foul line.
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#105547 - 10/18/09 05:49 AM Re: Updated ijohn83 Video (10-17-09) [Re: ijohn83]
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Your shoulder is closing too quickly which is rolling your hand around the side of the ball in the down swing. Keep your left arm forward pointed at your target and see if it doesn't pull back naturally at the release. If it doesn't (stays forward and ball goes into the right gutter), then you need to work on keeping the left arm pointed toward the target until the release, then pull the left arm back to propel your hand through the ball from inside to outside.

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#105617 - 10/19/09 02:21 AM Re: Updated ijohn83 Video (10-17-09) [Re: CoachJim]
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Okay. Will try to keep the left hand pointed at my target & let you know the results.

My sliding has been longer in the past. I moved myself up to the front set of dots awhile back to try to take some speed off my ball. Just last week I did the foul line back with “grocery market" steps and it put me between the two sets of dots. That is where I have been bowling from this week.
I really feel like if I can step in front of my left foot with my power step like I do with my second step it will help me. Right now my best shot is standing 19 and rolling over 9 at the arrows. When I stand at 19 I end up at 17 at the foul line. If I get that power step over I can pick up that two board right drift while making more room for my swing plane.

~ John

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#105620 - 10/19/09 06:06 AM Re: Updated ijohn83 Video (10-17-09) [Re: ijohn83]
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As long as you are drifting the same amount of boards every time there is not a problem. Sliding on 17 is about where you should be sliding, you are not playing straight up the boards, you have about a 4 board swing from that line so two boards drift right is about right for that line. If you were standing on 19 and playing 14 and drifting right two boards it will be a problem.

That being said in your next practice session play 19 and cross 14 at the arrows and see where your foot ends up, if it is on 19 then your feet are doing what you want them to do, and that is walk toward your target line.

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#105694 - 10/20/09 01:49 AM Re: Updated ijohn83 Video (10-17-09) [Re: CoachJim]
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Today I tried standing 19 & crossing 14 at the arrows. I don't think it mattered but the ball would be a high flush "Brooklyn". The strange thing was that I would still end my slide on 17.

I, also, bowled with a conscious effort to point at my target with my left hand - thumb down. This took some effort to not pull it back early before release. When done properly it definitely helped my right hand stay behind the ball and not go to the side. (It did nothing to get my fingers below the equator).
I will practice this more tomorrow and post a Video. An interesting note that I will try to fix tomorrow is that my left arm finished at about 45 degrees up in the air towards the ceiling; looked funny on the Video.

My slide length was longer today without changing anything; just getting used to being back of the front dots by two feet.

~ John

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#105700 - 10/20/09 05:40 AM Re: Updated ijohn83 Video (10-17-09) [Re: ijohn83]
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Next thing to do is to move your feet to 22 and aim at 11 and see if you still slide on 17. If so move to 25 and aim at 14 and see if you still slide on 17. If so move to 30 and aim at 17. As a test to see if this has jogged lose the "I must slide on 17 syndrome" start on 7 and aim at 2, if you slide on 5 the ball will be in the gutter, this usually shocks the brain into walking straight or else.

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#105790 - 10/21/09 02:00 AM Re: Updated ijohn83 Video (10-17-09) [Re: CoachJim]
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Well here are my numbers:

22 and aimed at 11 ... slid on 18, 18, 18.5, 17.5, 18

25 and aimed at 14 ... slid on 21, 20, 20.5, 19, 20

30 and aimed at 17 ... slid on 25, 24, 24, 24, 25, 25, 25

7 and aimed at 2 ... slid on 5(in the drink), 6, 5(in the drink), 6, 8, 6, 7, 7

~ John

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#105824 - 10/21/09 12:54 PM Re: Updated ijohn83 Video (10-17-09) [Re: ijohn83]
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From the videos, it looks like you have about a 6 board difference in slide and laydown, but you say sliding on 5 put the ball in the gutter and sliding on 6 kept it on the lane, so we'll go with 5 boards between slide and laydown.

22 over 11, your average slide was 18. Laydown of 13. So, for 2 boards of swing, you drift 4 boards.

25 over 14, average slide was around 20-20.5. Laydown at 15 or 15.5. Since it was a parallel move, the swing and drift should have been the same - in this case, you have 1 to 1.5 board of swing, and 4.5 to 5 boards of drift. They moved in opposite directions, indicating a "Hmmm..."

30 over 17 is a 5 and 3 move - we'd expect a bit more drift, and a bit more swing. Average slide on 24.5 means a laydown on 19.5. 5.5 boards of drift for 2.5 boards of swing. Seems in line with the first set of numbers (standing 22 and aiming 11).

7 over 2, average slide on 6.5ish. Laydown on 1.5. -.5 boards of swing, .5 boards of drift. Ideally they'd both be 0, but I think this is closer to the first and 3rd sets than the 2nd.

Analysis: The only thing I can pick out that would be different is that 25 over 14 is such a parallel move inside that you probably subconsciously tried to get the ball further right, causing your walk to end up to the right. It might have been useful to see the marks you actually hit as well - when your slide was left or right, did your ball also go left or right an equivalent amount?
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#105886 - 10/22/09 01:15 AM Re: Updated ijohn83 Video (10-17-09) [Re: cgeorg]
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Thanks for the analysis cgeorg.
I think I will do that one more time and add the actual board hit to the figures. It was kind of fun rolling the different lines. I wish I had better command of axis tilt, side roll and "push" to bring them all into the pocket better.

~ John

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