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#103729 - 09/24/09 09:31 PM Updated Vid
lmfcoa Offline
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Just two shots (one from side and one from behind). The thing I had been working on the most is freeing my arm swing and staying more upright at the line which I think I have accomplished. (First vids here)

Two things I know I need to work on still are my release (I'm not happy with it) and finishing closer to the foul line. Any advice on this one? It seems no matter what I do I subconsciously compensate and end the same distance away.

Edited by lmfcoa (09/24/09 09:38 PM)
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#103742 - 09/24/09 11:34 PM Re: Updated Vid [Re: lmfcoa]
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You need to slide up to the foul line, though.

Toe into the slide - good.
Relaxed swing - good.
Head over the slide toe - good.
Ball in front of you in stance - not advised, but it doesn't seem to be hurting your swing.
These are all things people say you should do....

By "improve the release" do you mean - get the fingers below the horizon (good), cup the hand (good) or something else? It looks to me like your release is a good one - when I do it, I call it "firm-wristed over the top". It looks like you're putting a little finger action into it, based on the curled fingers in your follow-thru, so in my opinion you are doing a very good job of it. I never get that much hook when I do it.

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#103766 - 09/25/09 07:52 AM Re: Updated Vid [Re: 10PinGaloot]
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Thanks SpareMe, I guess I'm just overly critical of myself.

The ball I don't usually put so much in the middle of my stance, but I was working on the push away shown in the NextLevel Bowling video about bracing the arms against the body.

As for the release I don't feel like I really project the ball down the lane at all. I should practice the towel drill maybe. The other thing I don't like is I don't throw a very strong ball. (I seem to stay behind the ball forever and never really put any side revs on it). While the ball in the video seemed to hook a good deal it would barely move if I went to any other house. Both those videos were shot at a house that does know what oil is LOL.
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#103770 - 09/25/09 09:00 AM Re: Updated Vid [Re: lmfcoa]
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Hey, that place looks familiar!

Are you having any particular problem? Are you inconsistent with your hit? I'd guess your ball would dive when the lanes dry with that speed, and playing that line. You may want to take a longer first step.

You may want to start the ball more outside, Head over ball, Over right foot alignment. But, you don't particularly pull it behind you. Your body gets out of the way for your swing. Your release could be a little closer to your ankle for better, consistence in targeting. You are pretty far from the line. You'll hit the towel every time.

There isn't much glaringly wrong that I see in 2 shots.

About the only thing I noticed was a difference in your hand lift after the release. The side view shot, you pulled it up harder than the rear view. Course, these were taken on different days too. Unless you changed clothes between shots.
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#103772 - 09/25/09 09:16 AM Re: Updated Vid [Re: Dennis Michael]
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You got me Dennis! I always carry a spare set of clothes :P I think the reason the ball ended up inside was that Duke video where he talked about keeping the weight in the left hand. When I start the ball more outside I have a hard time getting the weight over.

My problems are that when lanes have more oil I tend to have to play straight up because my lack of revs don't let me open the lanes up at all. I know shots will vary and you don't always get the line you want, but I often am forced outside and in while other guys move the ball with ease.

So thats my biggest complaint right now... that and being 2 feet from the foul line LOL

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#103778 - 09/25/09 10:22 AM Re: Updated Vid [Re: lmfcoa]
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I will say you are definitely improving quite a bit! Now, I know you said you don't like being so far from the foul line so I will try to help you there. Watch the video from behind and pay special attention to your power step. You want to "coil" up by compressing with your legs and then explode towards the line in order to get a good slide, ala Parker Bohn. If you look at yours right now you will notice its just a step, no attempt to gain power. I think if you get a little bend in those knees and you push towards the line rather than stepping towards the line you will see your slide increase.
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#103817 - 09/25/09 04:37 PM Re: Updated Vid [Re: sk8shorty01]
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I agree with Sk8, need to get a little lower on your power step (second to last step.) this will allow more time to push into your slide. right now your too high to get enough push with this step. Think of a baseball pitcher who loads up with his leg and pushes off the mound to throw. he actually lowers his body to allow more time to push off the rubber.
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#103830 - 09/25/09 08:48 PM Re: Updated Vid [Re: Handful]
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May i suggest; If you want to finish closer to the foul line, try standing on the foul line with your back against the bowling lane and do your approach.. then mark where your sliding foot is at then turn backwards and face the bowling lane.. this should be your stance position and check if you'll be finishing closer to the foul line.
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#103838 - 09/25/09 09:33 PM Re: Updated Vid [Re: 123seeyah]
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#103841 - 09/25/09 09:44 PM Re: Updated Vid [Re: spr3wr]
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sk8, I could be wrong, but is it really as simple as just doing it? My thought has been that there's something in the timing that makes that step do what it does. In his case, maybe he just needs to slow down his first couple steps which would force him to take a quick power step to get to the line in time. Just wondering.

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